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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#71126: Feb 17th 2023 at 7:55:58 AM

To be honest, if I want to know what people seem to think of a game I unironically just read 4chan shitposting about it, or look at that Japanese wiki that collects the opinions of 2ch posters

This is even less reliable than scores, wtf.

[up][up]Being positive is fine, but not for the sole purpose of drowning out negativity.

You're just trading one toxicity for another.

[up]Toxic positivity exists too.

Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on Feb 17th 2023 at 11:00:31 AM

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#71127: Feb 17th 2023 at 8:15:23 AM

>Going to 4chan for advice

>Ever

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In all seriousness, critic scores only matter if they affect sales. Critical Dissonance and Acclaimed Flop exist for a reason. Sonic has been running on the former for years, and despite Sega's insistence that they're going to turn things around, I can safely say they'll stay the course with whatever makes sales sense. The policy just stings less now because Frontiers is a Surprisingly Improved Sequel.

wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#71128: Feb 17th 2023 at 8:16:19 AM

Not all positivity is toxic, and in context it's not nearly as bad of a problem.

Frontiers took about 2 months to sell 2.9 million. By comparison, Mania took about a year to sell 1.1 million, and Generations took about 6 months to sell 1.8 million. I'd say Frontiers did well.

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#71129: Feb 17th 2023 at 8:19:16 AM

Yeah, Sonic Team and Kishimoto did a great job with Frontiers at the end of the day. That's really all you can ask for.

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#71130: Feb 17th 2023 at 8:23:59 AM

Basically, screw overall numbers and the like, and gauge general reaction.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#71131: Feb 17th 2023 at 8:32:00 AM

Note, never said it didn't do well. Just pointing out the perspective is all. These things don't exist in a vacuum.

For what its worth, I do agree that there is an inherent negative bias towards Sonic as a series from professional critics and wider gaming community. So Frontiers doing well despite that even if it comes out to average scores is impressive.

I call it the "the Sonic tax" where people will take about 5-10 points off for no other reason than because its Sonic.

Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on Feb 17th 2023 at 11:38:00 AM

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wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#71132: Feb 17th 2023 at 8:44:24 AM

That, at least, we can agree on.
Though I'd argue the tax is a bit higher.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#71133: Feb 17th 2023 at 8:47:16 AM

Conversely, other AAA games will get inflated scores simply for branding.

Sonic just has the luck of being a product of the 90's that dared to challenge the throne that Mario sat on, and had far too many games of questionable quality.

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#71134: Feb 17th 2023 at 8:50:17 AM

Plus Sega isn't paying the critics enough for better scores. [lol]

Particularly IGN.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Feb 17th 2023 at 11:50:29 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#71135: Feb 17th 2023 at 8:51:36 AM

Sonic has kinda the opposite of the brand name there by being an infamous punching bag to the point of people ragging that there are "no good Sonic games"

Which amusingly was said by an IGN guy

Edited by slimcoder on Feb 17th 2023 at 8:51:54 AM

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#71136: Feb 17th 2023 at 8:52:54 AM

With me, I usually don't pay attention to the critic's scores of anything. I usually judge a game if I bought it and played it for myself. Sure, there will be both critics and the general audience that will tell you either the game is not worth playing or it's worth playing. But since I bought the game for myself, I'm ultimately the one who judges the game for myself. I usually don't look at the reviews of the game until after I wrote my own review on the game, but it's interesting to see what everyone else think. But overall, I think the opinions that are the most important are your own opinions since you are the one who took the time to play the game for yourself.

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#71137: Feb 17th 2023 at 8:55:40 AM

[up]A lot of people want to know if a game will be worth their money before trying it, though, which is perfectly understandable.

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#71138: Feb 17th 2023 at 8:57:12 AM

Oh yeah and the IGN guy who said that "Sonic was never good," had just apologized.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#71139: Feb 17th 2023 at 8:57:31 AM

[up][up][up][up] They actually apologized for that recently hilariously.

Sonic, as a series, has had so many different revisions that its next to impossible to properly judge their quality unless you play them yourself. And even then, that depends almost entirely on your personal preference as a gamer.

Like me personally I don't vibe too much with Frontiers is that for all of the spectacle it has very little substance in gameplay and that's always gonna be a sticking point for me as I generally prefer games with tons of gameplay depth than having an over the top spectacle driven romp. And not for nothing, I personally feel like the Sonic fanbase cares very little for gameplay mechanics compared to the world and characters. And I'm never gonna vibe with that, I'm an oldie. Sorry. :V

But that's fine, sometimes shit just isn't for me. I just fucking wish someone would actually make a Sonic game catered to my tastes and that I didn't have to wait half a decade for it....

[up][up][up] Welll what one spends their money on is their business.

Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on Feb 17th 2023 at 12:00:13 PM

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#71140: Feb 17th 2023 at 9:01:29 AM

Sonic has kinda the opposite of the brand name there by being an infamous punching bag to the point of people ragging that there are "no good Sonic games"

Being a punching bag for non fans is the same problem Aquaman had.

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#71141: Feb 17th 2023 at 9:16:28 AM

[up]

Before Jason Mamoa took on the Aquaman role anyway.

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#71142: Feb 17th 2023 at 11:42:40 AM

Curse you, Super Friends! Poor Arthur still can't get over that stigma, despite being genuinely cool in later animated incarnations.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#71143: Feb 17th 2023 at 11:56:13 AM

Tell me about it.

Batman: The Brave and the Bold alone should have murdered the whole useless guy who talks to fish idea, but people just gripped with an iron vice.

Sonic has had the same problem: while there's no denying there have been a lot of mistakes made with how he does things, it's also clear that people find the dunking on Sonic meme so fun that they don't want to stop, and don't care how accurate it is.

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#71144: Feb 17th 2023 at 12:02:31 PM

It's like a drug addiction.

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MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
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#71145: Feb 17th 2023 at 12:02:48 PM

It's hard to take a guy seriously when a story has to contort itself to include water just so the water specialist has something to do.

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wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#71146: Feb 17th 2023 at 12:03:01 PM

Eh, anyone still shitting on Aquaman after the DCAU, DCEU, Young Justice, and his other appearances, is just beating a dead horse of a joke. Kind of like how people who whine about Shadow the Hedgehog or Sonic 06 or say Sonic has "too many friends" (and implicitly say they haven't tried anything since Adventure 2) conveniently ignore Rush Adventure (2007), Unleashed (2008), Colors (2010), Generations (2011), or Mania (2017). It's just going out of one's own way to be deliberately misinformed for bottom of the barrel "humor".

For example, Triple Jump's youtube videos. I really like the channel and presenters, but any time they mention Sonic I wonder if one of their writers just has something against the franchise. Or IGN giving Frontiers a 7 despite a glowing verdict that only names two issues (the bad pop-in, and the reviewer not personally liking the mostly avoidable combat) - a score that reminds me of "Too much water".

[up]That hasn't really been the case for Aquaman for a long time. Hell off the top of my head the Justice League episode "The Terror Beyond" comes to mind. Or the Snyder Cut Justice League, once he actually joins the team. People forget he and the Atlanteans, or Namor and his people, have the biological adaptations necessary to be a humanoid in the deep sea, namely greatly enhanced strength and durability. The last couple of decades of storytelling have Aquaman and the Atlanteans on land be only slightly below Wonder Woman and the Amazonians on the Super Weight scale. Plus there's the magical elements of Aquaman, too.

Edited by wanderlustwarrior on Feb 17th 2023 at 2:34:46 PM

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#71147: Feb 17th 2023 at 12:07:12 PM

So..adding a little more fuel to the Emi situation.

It seems Mike Pollock (And I'm assuming the other VA's) wasn't paid for his work in Sonic & Tails R

I'm assuming Emi asked out of the goodness of her heart and just assumed it was a charity thing but uh, das nawt a gud look brev.

Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on Feb 17th 2023 at 3:07:32 PM

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#71148: Feb 17th 2023 at 12:11:39 PM

Oof. My stance on the prior stuff is "none of anyone's business", but this I actually find not cool.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#71149: Feb 17th 2023 at 12:12:36 PM

[up][up][up][up] Granted in Super Friends case it doesn't help that its just an awful, awful cartoon that trivializes every character into only being capable of one thing at time. So Superman runs fast, meanwhile Batman is just the guy who drives a car.

Like Hawkman is a pretty cool character but the show dilutes everything about him and removes his mace, leaving him as just a guy who can fly.

In Aquaman's case that means his trident, Superman level strength, and general brutality is sanded off leaving a guy whose only power is breathing underwater instead of that just being one power among his repertoire of abilities.

Edited by slimcoder on Feb 17th 2023 at 12:12:46 PM

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wanderlustwarrior Role Model from Where Gods Belong Since: Jun, 2009 Relationship Status: What's love got to do with it?
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#71150: Feb 17th 2023 at 12:15:21 PM

[up][up][up]This is the first I'm hearing anything about the situation at all. What's happening? I've mostly spent the last couple of years tuning out fanworks and stuff because the fanbase is so toxic. Snapcube and Jehtt's youtube videos were about the first fan-anything I've gotten into.

Mike has been a pretty responsive guy to fans. He's even replied to my reply to his reply to a comment on a youtube video. (It was relating to him and Cindy voicing THE END in Frontiers. I was wondering if there was any particular reason why it was the voices of Eggman and Amy voicing that character(s), and if he was allowed to say why at certain moments it was mostly just Cindy. From his response, it seemed like if there was any reason, it wasn't expressed to him, as he just read the lines he recorded, whether or not they were used and how).

Edited by wanderlustwarrior on Feb 17th 2023 at 2:18:27 PM


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