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Rabbitearsblog Movie and TV Goddess from United States Since: Jan, 2014 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#70951: Feb 6th 2023 at 10:24:45 AM

Did they patch up the Sonic Colors: Ultimate game or does it still play the same as it did during the launch?

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#70952: Feb 6th 2023 at 10:29:38 AM

Who cares, we can fix it ourselves now.

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Rabbitearsblog Movie and TV Goddess from United States Since: Jan, 2014 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#70953: Feb 6th 2023 at 10:35:08 AM

Sure we can, but it won't be readily available to everybody.

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#70954: Feb 6th 2023 at 10:38:14 AM

I thought Colors Ultimate was already on Steam. I know it was an Epic Games exclusive for the longest time, but I thought they ported it to Steam before Frontiers released. I must have gotten it confused with something else.

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#70955: Feb 6th 2023 at 11:01:13 AM

[up][up][up] I'll drink to that

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#70956: Feb 6th 2023 at 11:06:18 AM

So...Pariah's video review of Colors shall wait now for his eventual mod recommendation?

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Rabbitearsblog Movie and TV Goddess from United States Since: Jan, 2014 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
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#70957: Feb 8th 2023 at 10:55:31 PM

So, I wanted to ask you guys: what kind of tone do you think works best for the Sonic the Hedgehog franchise? A dark and serious tone (Sonic Adventure titles and Shadow the Hedgehog) or a more lighthearted and comical tone (Sonic Colors and Sonic Generations)?

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#70958: Feb 8th 2023 at 11:04:00 PM

Neither of the Adventure games are dark and serious...

So yes, the Adventure games.

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#70959: Feb 8th 2023 at 11:08:28 PM

For all their faults, those are a good middle ground for tone; dramatic moments and overall high stakes, but it's magic and comic book superscience thwarted by the power of teamwork, and there isn't really any attempt to pretend otherwise.

An overly dark and self-serious mood fundamentally does not work for a series about a bright blue Felix the Cat knockoff wearing Michael Jackson shoes and fighting an obese clown in a mobility scooter. The weird confused art direction from Adventure onward is bad enough—we don't need blood and Glocks and awkward swearing and clumsy attempts at drama on top of it.

Edited by Chortleous on Feb 8th 2023 at 1:16:38 PM

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#70960: Feb 8th 2023 at 11:45:47 PM

I agree that the Shadow the Hedgehog game took things too far when they tried to have the characters have guns and swear constantly. I don't mind dark themes showing up in the franchise, but with the Shadow the Hedgehog game, all that edginess just felt forced to me.

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#70961: Feb 9th 2023 at 12:36:00 AM

The Sonic games have never had really good dramatic writing outside of maybe E-102 Gamma's story, so I'd rather err on the side of Lighter and Softer, or at least "Simpler and Speedier". The series has a long Narm page for a reason. If they have to have a serious moment, they should at least keep Tails out of it so he doesn't say something stupid.

Edited by Negacube on Feb 9th 2023 at 4:13:47 AM

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#70962: Feb 9th 2023 at 12:38:53 AM

[up][up] Hell, Shadow actually KILLS Dr. Eggman there.

Like in cold blood, and you see it from Eggman's POV.

Pretty fucked up.

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#70963: Feb 9th 2023 at 12:53:03 AM

Agree. There was no reason for Shadow to murder Eggman.

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#70964: Feb 9th 2023 at 12:53:54 AM

I was a kid when I played that game and the neutral ending was my first.

What a way to end the game the first time around. LMAO.

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#70965: Feb 9th 2023 at 12:55:31 AM

Same here...

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#70966: Feb 9th 2023 at 1:13:03 AM

Watching the Sonic Adventure intro, I do enjoy the general vibe here

Like that 2000s badbutt edge with epic music you'd also see in Bionicle, I love that stuff. Should keep that tone its pretty cool.

Edited by slimcoder on Feb 9th 2023 at 1:15:32 AM

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#70967: Feb 9th 2023 at 1:24:30 AM

I will say the comics can afford to be a bit more serious than the games, if only because they don't have gameplay or music to fall back on in case the story sucks.

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#70968: Feb 9th 2023 at 1:30:17 AM

That...doesn't seem right.

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#70970: Feb 9th 2023 at 2:02:17 AM

The story being bad would be less forgivable because there's nothing else to fall back on...

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#70971: Feb 9th 2023 at 2:25:30 AM

Shadow the Hedgehog's tone was bad because it tried to make it's goofy alien invasion story this gritty teen fantasy in order to fit in with the Darker and Edgier turn that era of gaming (2002-2005) was going it. On the otherhand, Sonic Forces' tone was an issue with Mood Whiplash, presenting this Eggman dominated setting ripped straight out of SatAM but acting like at best the situation isn't any worse than what Eggman was doing in Sonic Colors.

Speaking of Colors, that was fine as an intentionally light hearted romp, but Lost World tried to have serious story moments and character conflict while keeping Color's saccharine writing for the rest of the game. It's the opposite problem Forces had.

So the Adventure Era games are more or less the best tone the games had as far as balancing drama and levity when needed, outside a few duds.

The IDW comic from what I've seen is basically Force's tone done right.

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#70972: Feb 9th 2023 at 2:45:20 AM

Shadow 05 was tone deaf, down to not getting its main character, and had massive whiplash after Heroes, despite recycling stuff like character models.

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#70973: Feb 9th 2023 at 2:57:37 AM

When it comes to tone with Sonic, it ultimately comes down to preference.

But they've botched their "serious" stories more often than not, so I can understand the logic of not really wanting them to do that very often.

Sonic Adventure 2 may be the most vocally loved game on the internet but that game isn't exactly narrative perfect either.

A lighthearted game won't get ad much scrutiny as much as a "serious" one would....aside from super hard-core fanbase who are into the latter anyway.

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#70974: Feb 9th 2023 at 3:00:23 AM

I'm of the mind it should be cool. Serious is good, but one shouldn't go too serious as with shouldn't go too light-hearted. An extreme is never good.

Its like a Bionicle story or commercial. Sure this is edgy but its also so cool.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#70975: Feb 9th 2023 at 3:02:13 AM

Cool is extremely subjective and what's cool to one is cringe to another...

Which might explain a lot about why Sonic is such a polarizing franchise when it practically lives off the Rule of Cool.

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