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KuroBaraHime ☆♥☆ Since: Jan, 2011
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#70801: Jan 16th 2023 at 4:57:41 PM

Oh, I think that Amy was fine in Heroes and that Cream is fine in the role she was in in those games. I also don't think the characters were bad in Rush, just Amy and Knuckles were a little exaggerated I think because they have such little screentime that the writer wanted what they had to pop out.

I mainly brought it up because I think the dynamic Amy and Cream had at times was funny and I like someone noticing it even if they didn't like it, in contrast to a lot of people not seeming to have any perspective on Cream except just that's she a cute little girl.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#70802: Jan 16th 2023 at 4:58:54 PM

She's also nice...

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#70803: Jan 16th 2023 at 8:43:39 PM

[up][up] Ah! Sorry about all that text, then ^_^; I just hate the argument of Cream making Amy "worse", especially from that individual whom I suspect you saw the complaint from, and had to speak out against it. I now see it was unnecessary. Though I still think Rush did a poor job with everyone aside from Sonic and Blaze. A few of my fellow "Cream fan" friends even think that Rush's writing of Cream is the reason for coloring people's perception of her as a weak and helpless girl who's only good for being cute (some of such people being the official writers for the comics).

And yeah, I guess it's more than just viewing Cream as nothing more than a cute little girl. Just would be nice if the perception was good for once. But no, apparently it's either "Cream is nothing more than cute appeal" or "Cream is redundant Amy" -_- And certain folks wonder why I get so defensive about Cream's character.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#70804: Jan 16th 2023 at 9:06:30 PM

No...when she was introduced it was primarily for the "MOE".

Her roles in Sonic Battle and Sonic Rush didn't really change that.

It's fine, the series at that point didn't have a cute character yet.

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#70805: Jan 17th 2023 at 4:50:08 AM

Appearently Amy wasnt cute. Good, we are on agreement.

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lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#70806: Jan 17th 2023 at 9:55:50 AM

Word of Ian confirms that Sonic doesn't remember '06 because of its Ret-Gone and The End is at least stronger than Mephiles, though with its ego it doesn't really have time/the wherewithal to self-reflect. And it's dead. "For now."

Edited by lalalei2001 on Jan 17th 2023 at 12:56:59 PM

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#70808: Jan 17th 2023 at 12:53:12 PM

He's going full on Armed with Canon, or using Exact Words, because he is talking of Mephiles and not Solaris.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#70809: Jan 17th 2023 at 4:00:48 PM

The chances of The End returning/resurrecting someday in a smaller form that's easier to put into a scene with people sized characters seems high.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jan 17th 2023 at 4:00:56 AM

ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#70810: Jan 17th 2023 at 5:26:52 PM

Being stronger than Mephiles directly isn't that impressive in all honesty; he was easily the small potatoes villain in 06, the conniver to Iblis's walking apocalypse and Solaris's 'Three super hedgehogs can't successfully kill a god.'

I'd say probably Eggman himself with his technology in 06 was also stronger than Mephiles.

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#70811: Jan 17th 2023 at 5:50:06 PM

If anything I'd say Mephiles was roughly as strong as Shadow, by the whole "absorbed your power" thing... But then Shadow just beat the crap out of him.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#70812: Jan 17th 2023 at 5:55:56 PM

Once dem rings come off, Shadow stomps everyone.

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#70813: Jan 17th 2023 at 6:33:10 PM

Omega also didn't have any real trouble with Mephiles. Though the story implies that Omega might be on par with Shadow at some point(as he's the one that seals him in the future), though it's not clear on any details onw how the sealing is done. Omega is fairly violent, so a battle is a reasonable assumption(along with the other stuff said suggest it heavily).

As for Mephiles, he's supposed to be the brains, not the muscle. He's not "weak" at all, but isn't clearly a super strong fighter by any means. Iblis is the muscle, and is basically a mindless attack beast. Solaris is the full power of both combined, and naturally is pretty tough in comparison to the others, but does legitimately feel like a fairly weak boss despite having the potential to be severely dangerous(considering he exists in three different time periods at once, not even simply being able to traverse time freely. That's pretty noteworthy on its own, imo).

Shadow?
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#70814: Jan 17th 2023 at 8:21:58 PM

Well, given how strong The End is (It claims to be above every foe that Sonic has faced in the past, and the Ancients opted to seal it away since all 4 Titans, each of which can give Super Sonic the fight of his life, combined couldn't kill it), I wonder what everyone's opinions are regarding how strong the Titans are relative to all other final bosses in mainline 3D Sonic games? Do note that all of these are both against the Titans as a group and individually.

My personal opinion is they are stronger than Perfect Chaos, the FinalHazard, Metal Overlord, Devil Doom, the Nega-Wisp Armor, Eggrobo, and the Death Egg Robot, but weaker than Solaris, the Time Eater, and Perfect Dark Gaia (but they'd be able to put up a good fight Perfect Dark Gaia).

I say they are stronger than Perfect Chaos because in Generations, Sonic had gotten strong enough to beat Perfect Chaos without needing his Super Mode. If it wasn't for the situations of Final Hazard (In outer space), Metal Overlord (Can fly), and Devil Doom (Same as Metal Overlord) requiring that Sonic be Super Sonic, I'd say Sonic could beat them in base form as well. Sonic's only gotten stronger since Generations, and yet Giganto was able to No-Sell his Homing Attack and toss him into a mountainside, and he had to run for his life when he first encountered Wyvern and Knight.

I say weaker than Solaris, Time Eater, and Perfect Dark Gaia since all of them are deities. Solaris can destroy entire dimensions and exist in multiple timelines at once, while the Time Eater can manipulate time on a whim. The Titans, powerful as they are, are not on the level of time-space manipulating deities. However, since Perfect Dark Gaia does not have those types of abilities, I think the Titans can put up a good fight against it. They'd have to watch out for it's Wave-Motion Gun, though.

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Numbuh1234 Since: Apr, 2014
#70815: Jan 17th 2023 at 11:15:58 PM

One weird catch about most Super Forms is that they use the Chaos Emeralds for strength, so in theory their max potential should mirror Super Sonic's.

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#70816: Jan 18th 2023 at 4:16:36 AM

The Chaos Emeralds are basically powered by Clap Your Hands If You Believe. The more positive thoughts you have, the stronger they become.

So the ever confident Sonic seemingly can do anything with them.

I guess the same would apply to everyone else too, but who knows. All of the Super forms effectively function the same from a narrative standpoint.

Which might be another reason why its been limited to only Sonic in the modern era.

Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on Jan 18th 2023 at 7:16:44 AM

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#70817: Jan 18th 2023 at 6:15:23 PM

So the ever confident Sonic seemingly can do anything with them.

Not true. Can he find out why kids love Cinnamon Toast Crunch?

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#70818: Jan 18th 2023 at 6:20:53 PM

Well Sonic himself is a kid sooo.

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GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
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#70819: Jan 18th 2023 at 6:51:34 PM

From a certain point of view, he is.

"Mai waifu."
neoamon Mr from Planet Mobius S.T.C. (Experienced, Not Yet Jaded)
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#70820: Jan 19th 2023 at 1:31:32 PM

Is Mecha Sonic MKII the only one in the games to use the Master Emerald to go Super?

Edited by neoamon on Jan 19th 2023 at 9:31:47 AM

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#70821: Jan 19th 2023 at 1:45:07 PM

In the games, yeah. He's the only character to get a super form with the M.E.

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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#70822: Jan 19th 2023 at 1:53:04 PM

Knuckles and his green shield in All Star Racing did something similar tho.

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#70823: Jan 19th 2023 at 2:11:41 PM

Considering Hyper Sonic hasn't appeared again because the Super emeralds basically became the new regular Chaos emeralds (According to Ian flynn who penned the new stuff for the Sonic Origins collections) I could see the Master Emerald being used as a power up to allow Hyper Sonic to come back when used alongside the Chaos emeralds at the same time.

Basically, Super Sonic from Adventure onwards is as strong as Classic Hyper Sonic.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#70824: Jan 19th 2023 at 2:33:03 PM

That's basically what Nazo Unleashed did.

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WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#70825: Jan 19th 2023 at 2:51:04 PM

In Sonic Chronicles, Imperator Ix also used the Master Emerald to go super.


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