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kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#69301: Nov 20th 2022 at 7:46:31 AM

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just dont mention Other M

too late, you already did

Edited by kkhohoho on Nov 20th 2022 at 9:47:18 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#69302: Nov 20th 2022 at 7:59:20 AM

Other M.

Bad game, but an important lesson that lead to the creation of something better I think.

So yes. Mention it. It happened. Deal with it.

Just don't be like Sonic fans with 06 and let it define the entire franchise.

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#69303: Nov 20th 2022 at 8:03:22 AM

We still live in 06's shadow.

There's no God here. Only me.

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#69304: Nov 20th 2022 at 8:07:06 AM

Shadow: The only Hedgehog with almost decent levels and gameplay is me.

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BorneAgain (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#69305: Nov 20th 2022 at 8:15:10 AM

The funny thing is Metroid's relative lack of spotlight compared to Sonic essentially helped prevent Other M from having too big an impact on the franchise. While the game's story was largely despised by the fanbase and the gameplay seen as underwhelming, most critics and casual fans just saw it as an okayish release that came and went. Infamous to the fandom and used as an example of how Sakamoto was out of touch sure, but nothing close to the sort of memetic infamy 06 received. Heck the hostility towards Federation Force arguably became more famous than the Other M controversies were in certain circles.

Arguably the same thing happened with Bomberman. Act Zero is one of the most embarrassing attempts at a modern reboot ever tried, but due to the more niche status of the IP and getting a few decent games out again soon afterwards, the 360 release is now just seen as a laughable misstep that the franchise never went back to.

Edited by BorneAgain on Nov 20th 2022 at 11:16:17 AM

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#69306: Nov 20th 2022 at 8:16:16 AM

I mean, at least Other M was playable and even fun at times.

Sonic 06 is legit a broken unfinished game.

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#69307: Nov 20th 2022 at 9:33:18 AM

At least 06 was not Sonic Boom: Rise of Lyric.

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#69308: Nov 20th 2022 at 9:55:58 AM

Here's a review I've waited for since the game came out, SomecallmeJohnny's take on the game.

He really likes it, but not without some quibbles, of course.

Edited by Demongodofchaos2 on Nov 20th 2022 at 12:56:16 PM

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#69309: Nov 20th 2022 at 9:59:18 AM

Quibbles there are indeed to be had.

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#69310: Nov 20th 2022 at 10:17:19 AM

Why does Sonic have better chemistry with Knuckles than Amy in Frontiers?

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diddyknux Straw Hat Robin (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#69311: Nov 20th 2022 at 10:23:32 AM

Well, I'm sure there's a section of fans verrry happy about that...

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#69312: Nov 20th 2022 at 10:43:10 AM

Because these games seem to suck at writing girls (except maybe Blaze), Amy was made to be a romantic character in a series that doesn't give a shit about it, and there's always more chemistry between male characters in most series of this type (especially rivals) because writers seem to have difficulty writing girls as a whole for unknown reasons.

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#69313: Nov 20th 2022 at 11:08:29 AM

Because Amy is, first and foremost, a nothing character for girls and women to project themselves onto.

Even on her good days, she's a pretty flat character.

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#69314: Nov 20th 2022 at 11:16:44 AM

Could just be that this series isn't focused on the romance between two talking hedgehogs and the bromantic friendship of Sonic and Knuckles is easier to distill into a video game about reconnecting your lost comrades.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#69315: Nov 20th 2022 at 11:40:45 AM

We talked about this a couple pages ago, but Amy doesn't really have much characterization in the game in general.

She has the misfortune of being the arc character during a time where the game is mostly focused on exposition and establishment, so nearly all of her scenes are either "X is what's happening, let's explain it" or "wow, this place is so strange/barren/huge, isn't that interesting?" Compared to Knuckles and Tails, there's significantly less content that's about her or the dynamic her and Sonic have.

Add that to the devs clearly being in an in-between space where they want her around but aren't totally sure what they want her to be about or her personality to be - leading to more... standard writing for the character - and yeah. She doesn't really have much chemistry to offer in Frontiers.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Nov 20th 2022 at 11:41:45 AM

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#69316: Nov 20th 2022 at 11:48:34 AM

I still disagree with that assessment, but recognize I'm in the minority here...

erazor0707 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
#69317: Nov 20th 2022 at 12:09:21 PM

Kinda wish they'd just transplant her Boom characterization onto the mainline and stitch it all together, but idk if they want to do that.

WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#69318: Nov 20th 2022 at 12:17:49 PM

Apart from not being completely obsessed with Sonic, (though still crushing on him in much more subtle ways) what about Boom Amy is different from regular Amy?

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#69319: Nov 20th 2022 at 12:18:49 PM

...Is regular Amy a feminist specifically? I don't remember if any games went with that.

Shadow?
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#69320: Nov 20th 2022 at 12:19:52 PM

They could have Amy be a much more proactive character like she is in the IDW comics, although there were complaints that she seemed to be a stand in for Sally Acorn in the comics, although I personally don't see that. I thought that it was a pretty good progression for Amy Rose's character in the comics.

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kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#69321: Nov 20th 2022 at 12:31:03 PM

[up]Bit of Column A, bit of Column B. It was a logical progression to her character and other versions have been natural leaders.. But it's hard not to see some Sally in her, especially in those first couple of years. Flynn had a Sally-shaped hole he needed to fill and Amy was chosen to fill it.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#69322: Nov 20th 2022 at 12:35:36 PM

Apart from not being completely obsessed with Sonic, (though still crushing on him in much more subtle ways) what about Boom Amy is different from regular Amy?

Boom! Amy's thing is carrying herself seriously and being seemingly more sensible than the others, but having an explosive/combative temper and being prone to weird lines of thought.

If you caught the Twitter Takeover a week or so ago, Amy's characterization there was more or less the same as Boom! Amy.

Also, Boom derives a lot of humor from the idea that Sonic and Amy are obviously dating but won't admit it, which is unlikely to be incorporated into the games.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Nov 20th 2022 at 12:40:54 PM

BorneAgain (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#69323: Nov 20th 2022 at 12:42:32 PM

Boom Amy basically is both a more idealized and flawed version of the mainline version. She's very active as a compassionate crusader in situations while also a bit of a self assured know it all slightly blind to her flaws at times. Someone perfectly willing to see the very best in people, while having the biggest temper if you tick her off or try to exploit her good nature. Occasionally a stick in the mud to the gang, though that's rooted more in her interests and idea of fun being different from the others' than any lack of enthusiasm.

Edited by BorneAgain on Nov 20th 2022 at 3:45:55 PM

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#69324: Nov 20th 2022 at 1:18:54 PM

Knuckles probably has more chemistry with Sonic than Amy because...

Outside of the shift in characterization for Amy and her being the first friend, it's easier to for Comic writer Flynn to just take their Sonic and Knuckles' dynamic from the comics and just put that in the game.

Also, just to point this out...the games don't really have Sonic interact with his friends enough to even point out some kind of dynamic.

The in-game dialogue of Heroes and Sonic Battle aside.

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#69325: Nov 20th 2022 at 1:35:12 PM

Let me see.

Boom! Amy's role varied between episodes a bit, but her gizmo is: she is compassionate (willing to offer jerks like Eggman and Dave a chance), understanding (trying to help Eggman as a doctor, or helping Sonic get over his temper by calling Mike "Just a guy"), feminine and sure of her hobbies (she loves the Fuzzy Puppies trading game, and she loves to cook), and the resident Team Mom.

However, her love for Sonic is secret in this version, compared with game Amy declaring herself his wife/girlfriend. She also has a mean streak, being done with everyone's nonsense in ocassions and being prone to snark, and sometimes she uses her feminity in order to be more important than she actually is.

The "done with everyone's nonsense" thing did go into her game counterpart with the takeover and Team Sonic Racing, but she was still understanding.

If I were to guess, Amy declaring herself as Sonic's sweetheart comes off as entitlement, which is unlikable in the West rather than endearing. Many characters in cartoons who do this tend to be (intentional) annoying brats or stalkers. Think Tootie, Sarah or the Kankers, or Pepe le Pew. We know Amy isn't a malicious character, but this trait didn't sit well with many in the community, which is why was downplayed in order to highlight everything else.

Edited by Tomodachi on Nov 20th 2022 at 1:54:44 AM

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