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kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#69276: Nov 19th 2022 at 10:04:09 AM

[up]x8 This is one of the most baffling takes on Sonic I've seen. The first half of the video is solid, but the second half turns into a screed about the nature of Sonic. TLDR, they think Sonic shouldn't be a character but a force of nature, that the SEGA mandates are correct and that letting Sonic lose or show emotions is a detriment to the character. Sonic isn't a superhero because they're better than a superhero, that they're a living metaphor and should be an inspiration to others, and letting them be flawed or fallible is a disservice.

I disagree. Yes, Sonic is a hero. Yes, he can inspire others, that's what heroes do. But pushing him to be this flawless paragon is not only dubious, it makes him less compelling. You can have them represent intrinsic values without putting them on a pedestal, they can be be friendly and free-spirited without being a cardboard cutout. Sonic can be Sonic without being Jesus or Superman, because even though they say he's not a superhero, that's exactly what they want them to be.

Edited by kkhohoho on Nov 19th 2022 at 12:04:39 PM

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#69277: Nov 19th 2022 at 10:29:04 AM

Dunno, I think he understood the appeal of Sonic, in a way. He spoke of how Sonic is more of a metaphor character in the better stories of the games, and he is accurate that Sonic is a Flat Character, since he never changes as a character, yet others do around him.

The talk of the mandates made sense with Archie Sonic, who has a lot of different context around him, and to an extent too with Movie Sonic. Game Sonic and his similars? Guy hasn't changed since day 1, he has been written differently but is still the same guy.

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BorneAgain (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#69278: Nov 19th 2022 at 10:30:26 AM

The paragon take on Sonic is one that definitely feels insulated to the hardcore fandom. I've rarely seen the broader/casual audience ever get close to viewing the character that way, and most of the adaptations don't lean in that fashion either.

There's a general tendency I've noticed among some fans to elevate Sonic in that sense because of how meaningful and effective he (and/or the cast) were to them when playing select titles. Granted as someone who plays more for the gameplay and hasn't really been emotionally affected by virtually any of games' narratives I'm probably the worst person to offer a judgement, but him as force of nature just never really struck me as being that crucial to his presentation.

Edited by BorneAgain on Nov 19th 2022 at 1:31:45 PM

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#69279: Nov 19th 2022 at 10:38:42 AM

The Archie version does seem very different beneath the surface, due to originally being the SAT-AM version and therefore having traits that would be OOC out of context (like him being loyal to a kingdom for example, Sonic seems too much of a free spirit to be tied to any political and 06 and Black Knight establishes that it wouldn't work for game Sonic in different ways)

I have to ask just how different Sat-AM/Archie!Sonic is from Game/IDW!Sonic

Edited by MorningStar1337 on Nov 19th 2022 at 10:39:24 AM

VeryMelon Since: Jul, 2011 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#69280: Nov 19th 2022 at 10:59:23 AM

It goes back to that "Sonic means something different for every fan" problem that makes it nigh impossible to truly focus on giving every corner what they want using the mainline games.

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#69281: Nov 19th 2022 at 11:14:55 AM

[up][up]Despite still being a free spirit, Archie sonic is the most by the book version of the character we probably ever got. There's no better example of this then the time Tails' parents wanted to overthrow King Max for being a godawful ruler and Sonic had no sympathy for his best friend's parents and physically fought Tails over it.

SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#69282: Nov 19th 2022 at 3:51:28 PM

Wait twitter take over is yearly thing?

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#69283: Nov 19th 2022 at 4:10:13 PM

Might not be a yearly thing anymore if Twitter goes downhill.

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#69284: Nov 19th 2022 at 4:12:03 PM

[up][up] Well, it was. Might not be anymore, considering the new management's antics, and how advertisers and brands alike have been running for the hills in response.

Edited by TrashJack on Nov 19th 2022 at 7:12:31 AM

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SpookyMask Since: Jan, 2011
#69285: Nov 19th 2022 at 4:31:09 PM

I decided to check the sixth one out and it was pretty hilarious so I feel like I missed out x'D

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#69286: Nov 19th 2022 at 5:36:14 PM

I think they skipped 2020, but I'm not sure about that.

Looks it up: yeah, Twitter Takeover #4 was 2019, and #5 was with Colors Ultimate last year.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Nov 19th 2022 at 5:38:06 AM

Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#69287: Nov 19th 2022 at 7:26:22 PM

I don't think it's yearly, it's for every new game release, which just tends to be yearly because Sonic cranks out content.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#69288: Nov 19th 2022 at 7:32:42 PM

The last game was in 2020...

The last main series game was in 2017.

What?

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#69289: Nov 19th 2022 at 8:43:53 PM

That's not too big a span of time.

Mario Odyssey was five years ago, and there's still no sign of the next main line Mario game, just the 3D World expanded port a couple years ago. I think the platform series churning out new games most frequently these days might be Kirby, with the big RTDL remaster this year (which might be a bigger or smaller undertaking than 3D World Bowser's Fury, depending on your POV), Forgotten Land this year, and Star Allies only four years before that.

It's just that Mario and Kirby both have a ton of spinoffs in between to make it seem like a shorter amount of time than it was. That said, it is a little long if you don't have much else you're developing at the same time (though as people keep mentioning, Sonic Frontiers got thrown out and restarted at some point in dev).

Edited by KnownUnknown on Nov 19th 2022 at 8:48:01 AM

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#69290: Nov 19th 2022 at 9:18:39 PM

5 years was the same amount of time between Lost World and Forces.

It's long enough that you can't really say the series is churning out games...

At best, 2 games come out within the same year.

Edited by randomness4 on Nov 19th 2022 at 12:20:12 PM

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#69291: Nov 19th 2022 at 9:30:27 PM

[up][up]Mario Maker 2 was the big mainline Mario game after Odyssey.

PhiSat Planeswalker from Everywhere and Nowhere Since: Jan, 2011
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#69292: Nov 19th 2022 at 10:06:55 PM

Sonic used to churn out games from the 2000s to the mid 2010s, but they've slowed down as of late.

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#69293: Nov 20th 2022 at 1:57:03 AM

I wonder why they are churning out less games for Sonic these days?

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#69294: Nov 20th 2022 at 2:17:44 AM

I suspect staffing problems and optimistically because Sonic team wants more time to refine the product.

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#69295: Nov 20th 2022 at 5:06:33 AM

[up] I believe Sega's officially stated reason is the latter.

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BorneAgain (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#69296: Nov 20th 2022 at 5:10:43 AM

Sonic's still pretty fortunate in terms of quantity of releases, relatively speaking. Trust me, as a Donkey Kong Country fan waiting almost 9 years for another new game, it could be a lot worse.

Whowho Since: May, 2012
#69297: Nov 20th 2022 at 5:34:25 AM

I generally think that games should spend five years in development to be a good quality, so I think it's a good sign that Saga is slowing down.

FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#69298: Nov 20th 2022 at 7:16:49 AM

I feel like Metroid fans have suffered the worst. My heart goes out to them.

diddyknux Straw Hat Robin (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#69299: Nov 20th 2022 at 7:40:20 AM

As a Metroid fan, I'd say we've had a bit of a comeback the last few years. We're doing ok now. [tup]

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#69300: Nov 20th 2022 at 7:43:44 AM

just dont mention Other M

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