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FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#69151: Nov 16th 2022 at 7:55:29 AM

Speaking of Cyberspace themes what was up with the first state and that "you are not in control?"

the open world sections are by far the best parts of the game and the thing that make this game great, so it's definitely something I want to see built on in at least one more sonic game.

The verticality of the world's works well, as you can travel mostly mindlessly at ground level when you need to, but can really optimise your speed by traveling at height when navigating challenges or faster routes. It's quite rewarding.

The combat and movement works well for the overworld (if the enemies and terrain are designed around it) but struggles in cyberspace sue to how slow and clunky it feels in 2D.

Though I love that cyberspace are short levels that you are really given a reason to optermise. That's required me to think way more critically about Sonic's movement and route than I ever have before

I agree with this. Pretty much my experience. First Sonic game I felt compelled to "git gud" and do the missions, find faster routes, etc

Edited by FOFD on Nov 16th 2022 at 10:59:27 AM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#69152: Nov 16th 2022 at 7:57:17 AM

I think the main thing that hampered this game is that Saga released it when the developers said it wasnt finished yet and they wanted more time. Saga's lack of faith in their product and their dev team seems to be a constant Thron in this franchise.

Wait. What? I thought Sega delayed it because the developers said they needed more time? Did they still force the group to rush? Have they STILL note learned anything about not rushing games?

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#69153: Nov 16th 2022 at 8:24:52 AM

They haven't provided a source though.

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#69154: Nov 16th 2022 at 10:10:24 AM

I need to read more into it myself, could just be heresay.

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#69155: Nov 16th 2022 at 10:35:02 AM

Best to wait man, relying on hearsay could lead to nasty misunderstandings.

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CountofBleck Starting to believe in himself from New Wirral (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
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#69156: Nov 16th 2022 at 12:06:59 PM

A new goofy frontiers short by Doobus Goobus. (mild spoilers for frontiers)

Edited by CountofBleck on Nov 16th 2022 at 3:07:10 PM

Vertigo_High Since: May, 2010
#69157: Nov 16th 2022 at 2:01:01 PM

How many years did this game have in development though? At some point the blame falls on the devs and their workflow if they can't meet a deadline.

Sonic advance 3 is my favorite of the advance games lol.

Edited by Vertigo_High on Nov 16th 2022 at 2:03:59 AM

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#69158: Nov 16th 2022 at 2:03:35 PM

5 years...

Apparently.

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Vertigo_High Since: May, 2010
#69159: Nov 16th 2022 at 2:04:40 PM

Yeah 5 years is enough time for a Sonic game. This isn't Elder Scrolls lol.

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#69160: Nov 16th 2022 at 2:06:38 PM

I've been seeing a lot of tropes saying The End is immortal and could theoretically come back any time, but I'm unsure if that's canon or not—maybe The Ageless, but I dunno about Complete Immortality.

Edited by lalalei2001 on Nov 16th 2022 at 5:06:51 AM

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#69161: Nov 16th 2022 at 2:13:59 PM

Well, the first half of those five years apparantly had to be thrown out and restarted from scratch.

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TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#69162: Nov 16th 2022 at 2:14:58 PM

I'm not going to throw any shade on Sonic Team for the long period because apparently they just have very few developers on hand these days.

FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#69163: Nov 16th 2022 at 2:22:25 PM

I never got the chance to play Advance. Advance 2 was too hard for me. Advance 3 was lit because I could play as other characters.

Kind of bummed that Era of Sonic won't be coming back. Handheld gaming is dead.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#69164: Nov 16th 2022 at 2:26:06 PM

Playing as other characters is unique to Advance 3...somehow.

Edited by randomness4 on Nov 16th 2022 at 5:26:24 AM

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BorneAgain (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#69165: Nov 16th 2022 at 2:27:30 PM

The Advance and Rush trilogies are interesting to compare. The former has the more interesting experimentation while the latter is generally more consistent with its quality, and even seemed to get better with the level design towards the end. There's a fascinating alternate universe where both kept going on as series and you had Advance continue the character team up element while the latter eventually incorporates Shadow and maybe even Metal Sonic as part of its gameplay.

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#69166: Nov 16th 2022 at 2:30:30 PM

[up][up] People are allowed to like a feature of a game, even if other games in the series have done it before.

Edited by diddyknux on Nov 16th 2022 at 4:30:57 AM

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#69167: Nov 16th 2022 at 2:31:36 PM

[up][up]Do you mean after Colors DS? Which was during a time period where everything was just Sonic?

[up]I'd figure Advance 3 would be praised for the things unique to it, ya know...ya know.

Advance 3 being the best of the trilogy kind of deserves all of the like-likes it can get.

Edited by randomness4 on Nov 16th 2022 at 5:34:22 AM

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Whowho Since: May, 2012
#69168: Nov 16th 2022 at 2:38:30 PM

We could write comprehensive reviews, but brevity is the soul of wit.

Or as sonic says, gotta go fast.

BorneAgain (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#69169: Nov 16th 2022 at 2:45:38 PM

[up][up]Essentially yeah, after Colors DS, you have a Rush go on as a series focused around the speedy characters while Advance returns to give more of the other members of the cast the spotlight. You still have Sonic but you maybe gradually include the likes of Silver or the Chaotix as possible future inclusions with that sub-franchise staying closer to a typical platformer.

Given the output of Sonic handheld titles circa 2011-2017, I don't think it would have that much worse than what we ended up with.

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#69170: Nov 16th 2022 at 3:19:54 PM

I honestly do miss the days where we had Sonic handheld games. Even though I was frustrated with Sonic Advance 2 and 3 at times because of the difficult gameplay, I still loved the fact that it made the smooth transition for 2D gameplay and did it in such a creative way.

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ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#69171: Nov 16th 2022 at 3:32:41 PM

I will call Sonic Advance 2 a very well-designed game up until about Sky Canyon, at which point level design goes off a cliff. Metaphorically, and literally. Maybe a bit earlier, maybe a bit later, depending on how you feel about ice.

BorneAgain (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#69172: Nov 16th 2022 at 3:35:22 PM

A trilogy remake that tightened up Advance's level design would do a world of good honestly.

FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#69173: Nov 16th 2022 at 3:41:56 PM

Last I remember Advance 3 was the one where you could mix and match Sonic, Knuckles, Tails, Amy, and Cream.

The tag team aspect I liked.

I miss the handheld titles as well. Difficult as some of them could be.

Edited by FOFD on Nov 16th 2022 at 6:45:14 AM

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#69174: Nov 16th 2022 at 7:02:18 PM

I think Advance 3 gave Knuckles the ability to spindash up any wall he was climbing depending on who he was partnered with. I remember that since a mod for Sonic 1 Forever and Sonic 2 Absolute gave him that ability and mentioned it.

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powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#69175: Nov 16th 2022 at 9:27:46 PM

So, I am listening to “Undefeatable”, and the song is giving me MAJOR RWBY vibes.

It sounds like a lost RWBY song that wound up in Sonic.

This is a good thing as i said months ago, RWBY and Sonic both are cases where even if the end product is underwhelming, the music slaps hard.

AAAAUUUUGGGHHHH!!!!

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