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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#68826: Nov 10th 2022 at 9:55:29 PM

Ice physics ain't shit, Drop Dash all day baby.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#68827: Nov 10th 2022 at 10:04:56 PM

Having seen all the Islands, I'm bummed we didn't get more Sonic esque open world environments.

Like give me Casino Night Zone 3D anyday.

Maybe the sequel can fix this. All the Islands feel more generic than expected. They aren't bad to be sure, and there's still fun to be had with exploring and the platforming but needs more Sonic fingerprints if that makes sense.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#68828: Nov 10th 2022 at 10:08:50 PM

Known Unknown Succeeded!

Spent the last hour or so blowing through desert island. I think I've got about two thirds of it done, minus Knuckles' quest.

I think part of the reason I was so annoyed by the soft lock wasn't just the lock itself (but that was a huge part of it - having to repeat large hurdles of my time is a big gaming peeve of mine), but also because the first Titan was such an underwhelming boss fight and I wasn't looking forward to going through all that just to do it again.

Luckily Homing Shot makes it go by twice as fast. I hope Titan #2 is a mite more interesting.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Nov 10th 2022 at 10:09:13 AM

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#68829: Nov 10th 2022 at 11:34:40 PM

What was The End's final speech like in the Japanese version?

Edited by lalalei2001 on Nov 10th 2022 at 2:34:47 PM

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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#68830: Nov 11th 2022 at 4:45:29 AM

I find funny how people are hammering down on "we won't see Tails, Amy and Knuckles in a while after this game"...

When "LONG TIME NO SEE!" is a certified meme in this series.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#68831: Nov 11th 2022 at 5:03:17 AM

People are falling for "the illusion of change".

But that's fine; people have been obsessed with any type of change in the status quo for a while.

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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#68832: Nov 11th 2022 at 5:08:26 AM

I mean, you can evolve stuff without it betraying the core of the characters or franchise.

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#68833: Nov 11th 2022 at 5:18:18 AM

At least now if they really are gone for a good few games the line will make sense.

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#68834: Nov 11th 2022 at 6:19:05 AM

If anything, I’ve gotten my hopes up for solo titles. Against my better judgement, I know.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#68835: Nov 11th 2022 at 6:23:43 AM

Finally, a new Knuckles game.[lol]

But seriously, I haven't gotten to that part and some of my discord buddies brought up that scene. I do think this is a plot point to have some spin-off titles and stories.

We already got a Knuckles cartoon prologue for this game.

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#68836: Nov 11th 2022 at 6:27:39 AM

NGL a new Tails Adventure would be good.

Edited by MightyKombat on Nov 11th 2022 at 2:27:46 PM

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#68837: Nov 11th 2022 at 6:33:05 AM

@Erioguez: You can....Sonic Team just aren't good at it.

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Numbuh1234 Since: Apr, 2014
#68838: Nov 11th 2022 at 6:38:56 AM

The 2d physics are super annoying, but it's also surprisingly easy to just avoid them.

Kind of a double issue with them tbh, but even ignoring that their general existence just doesn't fit an open world 3D game very well.

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#68839: Nov 11th 2022 at 6:43:34 AM

Yeah the control and physics of this game feel janky. It's not outright bad, but it can be frustrating at times, especially in Cyberspace.

Sonic Team has def problems with how to implement Sonic's physics.

I'm still baffled at how bad Classic Sonic is in Forces when Mania has such perfect control and physics.

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#68840: Nov 11th 2022 at 8:12:22 AM

Since all the characters aside from Sonic appear sporadically at best and are actually playable even more rarely, I doubt There's going to be any real change.

It might have been different if the game had come out in 2008.

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#68841: Nov 11th 2022 at 8:13:41 AM

With that in mind a Sonic game that switches around the usual side cast would be great. I'd go for Sonic teaming with Tangle and Whispr, or for Sega to get over their weirdass hangups and let Modern Sonic meet Mighty and Ray for once.

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#68842: Nov 11th 2022 at 8:31:14 AM

I hope the "wasted potential" talks of Infinite end with this Game.

This Game has the most disrespects towards the character and I love it.

Sage stole his gimmick; she is Miles better than him.

The Knight stole his theme song, making him no longer special.

Even The End throws a minor shade by calling him "finite".

Fucking Zavok is more aknowledged in the Game than him. Infinite is mentioned once by Tails, yet Zavok is twice and has a minor flashback.

I love Frontiers for all the wrong reasons.

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MrSeyker Since: Apr, 2011
#68843: Nov 11th 2022 at 8:35:56 AM

I'm still baffled at how bad Classic Sonic is in Forces when Mania has such perfect control and physics.

Why? That comparison is apple and oranges. The physics in a 2d engine don't correlate at all with those of a 3d one.

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#68844: Nov 11th 2022 at 9:31:36 AM

[up]It wouldn't be baffling if Classic Sonic played in 3D, but he doesn't so it is. Polygons or no polygons, if it walks and talks like a 2D, then it's a 2D.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#68845: Nov 11th 2022 at 9:34:45 AM

Yeah. If you're talking about the physics of how the character moves and operates, the difference in 2D and 3D isn't particularly huge. The Engines the games were made on likely had distinct differences, but that's not strictly related to them being 2D vs 3D.

Plus, we already had decent Classic Sonic 3D physics in Generations.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#68846: Nov 11th 2022 at 9:42:43 AM

Half-decent...

They're only better than Sonic Forces and Sonic 4, the problem remains the same for all of them.

Sonic Forces main issue though was the control not the physics.

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MrSeyker Since: Apr, 2011
#68847: Nov 11th 2022 at 9:46:09 AM

But that's my whole point.

That Classic had great controls in Mania, which is a sprite based 2D engine in no way shape or form correlates to Classic's controls in the Forces engine, even if his levels are made to work in 2.5D.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#68848: Nov 11th 2022 at 10:02:49 AM

I feel like the point is that if Mania can have proper 2D physics, why can't the 3D games?

It has nothing to do with whether its 2D or 3D, but what the engine is designed for; and in case it wasn't obvious by the last couple of games, Sonic Team doesn't seem very interested (or are just incapable) in replicating Classic physics...or just proper physics in general.

Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on Nov 11th 2022 at 1:03:25 PM

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#68849: Nov 11th 2022 at 10:16:11 AM

Yeah, basically this. [up]

There's no reason why physics akin to Mania can't be used in 3D games. Those two styles of modelling/animation aren't so alien to one another that such things are insurmountably difficult. Indeed, a lot of 3D games from classic franchises have had a lot of success giving their games classic 2D style levels.

I hate to say it like this, but if Mario can do it there's no reason Sonic can't. It's not the engine or the medium's fault, it's a development problem.

To risk being a bit more accusatory, it may well just be that the Mania devs entire intention was to replicate the Classic gameplay well, while the Forces devs' intention might more have been to throw Classic Sonic into the game to spice it up. Mania's development lived and died on how well they replicated those physics, while Forces' development didn't really have to worry about it.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Nov 11th 2022 at 10:19:58 AM

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#68850: Nov 11th 2022 at 10:27:43 AM

Even if Mania and Forces were different engines, is that any reason why the Forces devs didn't even try to make Classic Sonic feel right?

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