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mstorzil Crimson Helios Since: Nov, 2019
Crimson Helios
#68801: Nov 10th 2022 at 4:26:30 PM

Wait, Wily's in X? I thought Sigma was the big bad of the X series.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#68802: Nov 10th 2022 at 4:30:24 PM

Wily is the Greater-Scope Villain.

He invented the Maverick Virus that plagues the series and built Zero.

X2 and X5 imply he's around somehow since the latter has Sigma mention he met an old man who knew quite a lot about Zero.

Word of God also states Wily uploaded himself into the virus. Somehow.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Nov 10th 2022 at 7:30:41 AM

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Pokesamus Since: Aug, 2016
#68803: Nov 10th 2022 at 4:30:48 PM

It’s all but stated that he became an AI and caused shit all the way up to X6

BorneAgain (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#68804: Nov 10th 2022 at 4:44:35 PM

Its not often you see a universe's lore built on the idea of "How many times do we have to teach you this lesson old man?" but Mega Man & X are basically just that.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#68805: Nov 10th 2022 at 4:48:02 PM

Don't forget Dr. Weil with the Zero and ZX series. [lol]

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Mega_zxa Since: Mar, 2015
#68806: Nov 10th 2022 at 4:57:59 PM

The whole being around in the X series is part of why people have the idea that Weil is secretly Dr. Wily. If he can cheat death and cause all that chaos in the X series what is really stopping him from doing the same thing again in the Zero series.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#68807: Nov 10th 2022 at 5:00:44 PM

Dr. Weil explicitly has a different origin and motive than Wily.

Plus he personally hates Zero while Wily is implied to be proud of or at least fond of Zero.

There's also the fact that Weil doesn't treat Omega like a creation but something akin to a force of nature or a God, is something completely unthinkable for Wily.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Pokesamus Since: Aug, 2016
#68808: Nov 10th 2022 at 5:01:28 PM

I know I was a part of this but remember. Sonic thread

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#68809: Nov 10th 2022 at 5:03:30 PM

Man, all this Mega Man talk makes me miss Dr. Wily and Eggman's evil friendship.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
TrashJack Confirmed Doomer from beyond the Despair Event Horizon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Confirmed Doomer
#68810: Nov 10th 2022 at 5:06:09 PM

@Borne Again: Well, there's also Castlevania, at least chronologically-before the Sorrow duology, where the old man doesn't need to be taught the lesson anymore because he finally died and reincarnated into a young man.

"Cynic, n. — A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be." - The Devil's Dictionary
RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#68812: Nov 10th 2022 at 6:28:15 PM

@ Redhunter: Given how much Dr Weil hates everyone especially Reploids, it's weird that he idolizes Omega like that

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#68813: Nov 10th 2022 at 6:33:51 PM

I realize now the complaint of characters "standing around while talking" in Frontiers is a bit different than past games since Unleashed.

It's not really because they're just "standing around", it's more so because they aren't really cutscenes...they just have preset animations for while they're talking.

So their mouths move and maybe they'll gesture (like Sonic crossing his arms, or Knuckles tapping his fists together) every other line, but that's about it.

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ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#68814: Nov 10th 2022 at 6:59:32 PM

I honestly hope Sage stays evil, and allied with Eggman. She loves him, because he's her father, so if it's clear Eggman will continue to be evil she'll stay by his side to try and protect him from himself, and Sonic too. Who knows? Maybe he'll end up being a more grounded, down-to-earth villain in the future.

Actually, you know what? We've been shown Eggman hiring mercenaries, and there's the heavy implication that he has a Freudian Excuse from the Ark incident destroying a decent chunk of his family, so I want a game where he assembles people who work for him under their own free will for ideological reasons; Three or four individuals who pilot mechs for him so he can focus on the big picture, all of whom Sonic expects to betray Eggman, but none of them do unlike his previous minions.

Honestly, give him a Five Bad Band and let him keep it a few games, and also let all four of his underlings be individually threatening. Sure, Metal can be one of them, and the MOST threatening, but like, what the hell, give us a boss fight where Cubot has a giant smashy hammer robot or something.

mstorzil Crimson Helios Since: Nov, 2019
Crimson Helios
#68815: Nov 10th 2022 at 8:07:10 PM

By the way, if you guys were to pick your favorite titan boss theme which would it be? In case some of you haven't listened yet:

(It's basically the main theme I'm Here, but the lyrics start much later, which I'm guessing is why there is no extended version on youtube... Yet.)

I would say mine is either Find Your Flame or I'm Here, but I think I'm leaning more towards the former.

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MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
The Encounter that ended the Dogma
#68816: Nov 10th 2022 at 8:09:10 PM

Find your Flame hands down. With Undefeatable at a close second.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#68817: Nov 10th 2022 at 8:12:13 PM

If Ian Flynn actually is gonna be writing more games in the future, the best possible thing about that will be the fact that Tails will take after his comic self.

That's just great.

Positive feeling here.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#68818: Nov 10th 2022 at 8:33:33 PM

Welp, I'm back. After a couple hours futzing around I'm finally back to where I was and ready to fight the first Titan again. Can I do it without soft locking myself again? Let's find out.

TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
Numbuh1234 Since: Apr, 2014
#68820: Nov 10th 2022 at 9:10:14 PM

Eggman in SA 2 actually makes it very clear that he doesn't give a shit about the tragedy on the ARK 50 years ago, Eggman just sees that his grandpa made a superweapon and wants dibs.

His very first recap makes it clear that he's only attacking the military base for the secret weapon, which he only found out about in Gerald's diary - the same diary that he passes over to Rouge at the end of the game.

That being said, I would indeed love a game where he gathers together a group looking to correct injustices around the world under the pretense of wanting to remove GUN for their actions against his grandfather and cousin, only for a twist at the end of the game where he was lying the whole time and just wanted some strong people to help him take over the world.

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#68821: Nov 10th 2022 at 9:16:00 PM

[up][up] My face hurts from laughing at that.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#68822: Nov 10th 2022 at 9:43:02 PM

Oh god the Third island is os fucking bad. Please kill me...

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#68824: Nov 10th 2022 at 9:52:26 PM

Bitch, I'm better at this game than most people.

Who the hell decided that this island needed to be almost entirely forced 2D sections.

Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on Nov 10th 2022 at 12:53:03 PM

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TheMageofFire Since: May, 2012
#68825: Nov 10th 2022 at 9:54:04 PM

Oh that part, I thought you were talking about the ice hills.

Yeah, wasn't the hugest fan of that. They shouldn't at least allowed Z-Axis movement for that section.


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