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Ultimatum Disasturbator from the Amiga Forest (Old as dirt) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Disasturbator
#68751: Nov 10th 2022 at 9:39:18 AM

And then you've got doctor robotics' family of robots in Sonic Adventures

(Scratch,Grounder,Coconuts)

Edited by Ultimatum on Nov 10th 2022 at 5:41:38 PM

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lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#68752: Nov 10th 2022 at 9:39:56 AM

I think it's especially jarring considering what Eggman was up to in the game directly preceding Frontiers XD It would be one thing if it followed another game that humanized him, like Sonic Adventure 2 or Lost World, but Forces had Eggman at 'drop a sun on his enemies' levels.

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WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#68753: Nov 10th 2022 at 9:47:53 AM

Wily by contrast actually gives his Robot Masters a personality and allows them to be people

"I always have to add za laser beams und za bombs und za fucking feelings."

Edited by WillKeaton on Nov 10th 2022 at 11:14:57 AM

MightyKombat I am he as you are he as you are me and we are a from in mai mouffff (Ten years in the joint)
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#68754: Nov 10th 2022 at 10:01:51 AM

And Wily definitely succeeded with Zero.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#68755: Nov 10th 2022 at 10:02:16 AM

Nintendo likes depicting Bowser as a big lizard shaped teddy bear sometimes. He’s evil, but he’s also goofy, capable of kindness, has standards, is willing to fight against worse evils without much prompting, is a Father to His Men, likes go karting, etc. I agree that Galaxy was an exception - they never went back to that sort of plan for Bowser again after that.

I can’t really talk for Wily: my experience is colored by my primary engagement with the Megaman franchise being Battle Network, where Wily is more of a straight up terrorist iirc. I’ll take you guys’ word for it regarding Classic Wily.

I’ve long perceived Eggman as the most evil of the classic platforming villains, and that’s even only counting the games (not even, like, his way eviller Archie / Satam version), because he’s more committed to being evil than most. He’s gotten more affably evil over the years, to the point of being very fun, but no less malicious: his whole thing is still enslaving living beings as power sources, and he’s willing to do more harm for less reason than most of his contemporaries.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Nov 10th 2022 at 10:02:45 AM

powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#68756: Nov 10th 2022 at 10:13:02 AM

I think the only other ‘90s platforming villains who are super dedicated to being evil are K. Rool from DKC and Cortex from Crash.

Edit: Okay forgot about Gruntilda from Banjo and Ripto from Spyro.

Edited by powerpuffbats on Nov 10th 2022 at 12:17:16 PM

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lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#68757: Nov 10th 2022 at 10:18:49 AM

Awwww, I just saw a sad comment about the post-credits Frontiers scene.

"Speaking about that post-credit scene of Eggman trying to bring SAGE back. I dont think that is the original SAGE that he originally created, but a cyber space clone of her manifested by Eggman. This does bring the question that if love for a clone of someone is just as valid as their prime. My heart broke at the implication."

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WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#68758: Nov 10th 2022 at 10:19:00 AM

I agree that K. Rool is boatloads more evil than Bowser. Bowser is often painted as being capable of caring and compassion. K. Rool is a sociopath who threatens his minions at the drop of a hat. I also think he's kind of nuts. I don't know what made him hate the Kongs so much that he went out of his way to steal all their bananas back in the first Country, but i bet its a very minor slight, and K. Rool is just big into disproportionate retribution.

Edited by WillKeaton on Nov 10th 2022 at 11:19:08 AM

123tbones Since: Aug, 2015
#68759: Nov 10th 2022 at 10:20:53 AM

I’m probably gonna wait for a price drop for this game. Glad it’s getting positive reception from fans, though.

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#68760: Nov 10th 2022 at 10:21:32 AM

[up][up][up]If the series wants it to be the same Sage, it will be the same Sage, regardless of how much more advanced bringing her back would be compared to anything Eggman has done before, so I'm not worried.

Edited by ShinyCottonCandy on Nov 10th 2022 at 1:21:37 PM

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lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#68761: Nov 10th 2022 at 10:25:45 AM

Do you think Ian will write or be consulted on the next main Sonic game, or was this a one-off?

EDIT: Aww, found another sweet comment:

"For several modern games, Dr. Eggman has been as ruthless as his counterparts in Archie, SatAM, and IDW. But here? He discovered what he was lacking for all these years. "

Edited by lalalei2001 on Nov 10th 2022 at 1:28:05 PM

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Tomodachi Now a lurker. See you at the forums. Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#68762: Nov 10th 2022 at 10:35:45 AM

I always thought he would be incapable of ever getting satisfied, tbh.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#68763: Nov 10th 2022 at 10:40:56 AM

They kept Pontaff on for an entire decade despite how much people hated their writing.

Doubt they'd drop Flynn after one game given how loved he is in the fandom.

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ReynTime250 Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
#68764: Nov 10th 2022 at 10:41:34 AM

I think with this game being generally liked by the fanbase, I'd say Ian will end up writing much more.

Edited by ReynTime250 on Nov 10th 2022 at 6:41:56 PM

MightyKombat I am he as you are he as you are me and we are a from in mai mouffff (Ten years in the joint)
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#68765: Nov 10th 2022 at 10:43:01 AM

Yeah. Hopefully Sega understand that. when Ian's good he's real good.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#68766: Nov 10th 2022 at 10:44:43 AM

I like his writing, but I'm not too fond of certain quirks he has.

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#68767: Nov 10th 2022 at 10:45:27 AM

What quirks?

"Cynicism is not realistic and tough. It's unrealistic and kind of cowardly because it means you don't have to try."
MightyKombat I am he as you are he as you are me and we are a from in mai mouffff (Ten years in the joint)
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#68768: Nov 10th 2022 at 10:46:57 AM

Probably the "referencing a lot of past things" thing he does that I read about in this thread.

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Tomodachi Now a lurker. See you at the forums. Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#68769: Nov 10th 2022 at 10:47:18 AM

Him being prone to references, for starters. Even that gets on my nerves from time to time.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#68770: Nov 10th 2022 at 10:52:07 AM

That.

He also feels the need to explain a lot of things to the audience....then again given Sonic's target demographic, that's probably intentional.

I'm also not really a fan of how he writes Amy. In trying to address the complaints about her being an annoying fangirl, he basically stripped her of her quirks.

Also his pacing is wonky.

Like I said, I generally like him despite that.

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Tomodachi Now a lurker. See you at the forums. Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#68771: Nov 10th 2022 at 10:56:53 AM

Evan does write Amy better than him, since she writes her with those quirks without making go Starlker With A Crush territory as some previous entries did.

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kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#68772: Nov 10th 2022 at 11:02:29 AM

The biggest problem with Flynn is he doesn't always think things through. Most of his stories are fun, but put them under a magnescope and you'll start to see the holes.

Edited by kkhohoho on Nov 10th 2022 at 1:15:55 PM

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#68773: Nov 10th 2022 at 11:10:05 AM

Flynn is a lot better when the plots are lite and focused more on characterization. Its no coincidence the praise for his writing involves that as opposed to his plotting.

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MightyKombat I am he as you are he as you are me and we are a from in mai mouffff (Ten years in the joint)
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#68774: Nov 10th 2022 at 11:10:39 AM

I've heard a lot of mixed feelings about the Metal Virus saga, yeah. Not sure what the general vibe is on the current Surge arc tho.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#68775: Nov 10th 2022 at 11:17:04 AM

Much better; Sonic vs. An Evil Distaff Counterpart is a lot harder to screw up than a Zombie apocalypse story.

Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on Nov 10th 2022 at 2:17:52 PM

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