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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#68726: Nov 10th 2022 at 8:16:59 AM

Honestly, I am quite curious as to where they go with Sage after this game.

Not sure yet what happens at the end since I have to take a quick break for school, but Sage would def shake up Eggman's dynamic with Orbot and Cubot.

Still curious on how she interacts with Metal if ever. She did bring up the Metal Overlord incident once.

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#68727: Nov 10th 2022 at 8:25:53 AM

Yea, Sage kind if takes out a lot of Eggman's edge, so they're gonna have to be mindful of his villain status in the future.

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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#68728: Nov 10th 2022 at 8:28:19 AM

I don't really see how the manchild who takes over the world can't be eloquent and care for individuals, rather than having to be a one-note saturday morning cartoon bad guy...

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#68729: Nov 10th 2022 at 8:31:42 AM

Because said manchild has caused tons of mayhem and potential destruction due to his own ego before...

The same person who wrote this game has also written versions of Eggman that are far more malicious and vindictive in nature.

Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on Nov 10th 2022 at 11:32:43 AM

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#68730: Nov 10th 2022 at 8:32:27 AM

It's going to be a tricky balance.

That being said, while she comes to respect Sonic, and her willingness to help him came from it being the only way to save Eggman, her loyalty to Eggman will mean it may not be that hard to put her at odds with Sonic again. She'll always put him first.

And Sage is even more loyal than Metal, since despite wanting to do things he was against, she never outright betrayed Eggman the way Metal did.

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#68731: Nov 10th 2022 at 8:34:02 AM

There's even a point of comparison with Belle in the comics; who despite also being "his daughter", Eggman doesn't give a single shit about her.

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#68732: Nov 10th 2022 at 8:35:21 AM

I don't see how that destruction and mayhem is incompatible with the guy not being flat.

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#68733: Nov 10th 2022 at 8:38:22 AM

I find it a little bit jarring that they want us to sympathize with the man who causes tons of problems for the rest of the cast because he has a cute daughter now, yes.

What's hard to understand?

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#68734: Nov 10th 2022 at 8:39:32 AM

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Yeah. I mentioned Belle earlier. Though I think that stems from the entire made by Mr. Tinkerer factor.

He does seem to respect her on some level, and even offered her a chance to join him, but definitely seems ok with just cutting her out.

That's gonna be hard to reconcile with how things are in the comics if Sage ever appears there. But the guy writing those comics is the same person who wrote this game, so we'll see how Ian handles it.

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#68735: Nov 10th 2022 at 8:43:31 AM

I'm not even saying Eggman isn't capable of doing good or showing good qualities either; but he's not Bowser, who just mostly causes minor inconveniences at worst. Eggman has caused the apocalypse more than times that anyone can count and destroyed entire ecosystems due to his ego.

But don't worry, he's a good Dad that makes it alright.

Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on Nov 10th 2022 at 11:44:27 AM

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#68736: Nov 10th 2022 at 8:45:23 AM

It doesn't make him alright, it makes him more engaging.

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#68737: Nov 10th 2022 at 8:45:53 AM

The key thing that defines Eggman's relationship with Sage is the latter is both competent and fully devoted to him. They combine to make Eggman see her differently than his other creations, though only time will tell if it's become a true unconditional kinship.

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#68738: Nov 10th 2022 at 8:46:10 AM

[up][up]At what cost though?

[up] This being Flynn, I think he's gonna commit to it...otherwise it makes their whole arc in Frontiers pointless.

Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on Nov 10th 2022 at 11:48:09 AM

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#68739: Nov 10th 2022 at 8:46:47 AM

Bowser actually has attempted to destroy the world like in Paper Mario btw.

Him and Eggman's evil tends to vary a lot on you know the game your playing at the moment.

Edit: [up]So? Their are plenty of genuinely evil bad guys who care about their siblings or kids. Heck it can add depth to a legit one note bad guy. Its pretty much agreed for example that For say a power rangers Samurai as an adaptation they removed the Big Bad of its source Shinkenger's more romantic and complicated care for his underling leading to him just generic Evil Overlord.

Edited by miraculous on Nov 10th 2022 at 8:50:38 AM

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#68740: Nov 10th 2022 at 8:49:03 AM

[up][up] At the same cost as seeing him being dissapointed at his gramps having turned omnicidal?

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#68741: Nov 10th 2022 at 8:49:34 AM

[up][up]Bowser's evilness varies just like Eggman's, but on average, he's way more on the up than Eggman.

If I had to put it into words; Bowser's a good person who does bad things occasionally, Eggman is a bad person who does good things occasionally.

[up] What does that even mean?

Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on Nov 10th 2022 at 11:50:07 AM

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Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#68742: Nov 10th 2022 at 8:54:22 AM

I think Bowser is the perfect comparison for this, because having a kid didn't diminish his goals. Bowser Jr. was right there when Bowser tried to remake the universe in Galaxy, didn't really stop him.

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#68743: Nov 10th 2022 at 8:55:39 AM

Yeah, Bowser tried to destroy the world or universe a few times while still having Bowser Jr. I think Eggman can still do messed up stuff while having a daughter-like figure and it would be fine.

Edited by ReynTime250 on Nov 10th 2022 at 4:56:39 PM

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#68744: Nov 10th 2022 at 8:57:56 AM

Yea, but like I said, Galaxy is the exception, not the rule when it comes to Bowser. We already know his usual MO is merely kidnapping princesses that he has no intention of actually hurting.

That's way different from Eggman's MO. A better comparison is Dr. Wily, who has his own sympathetic traits but is fully committed to being evil despite it.....and indirectly also caused the apocalypse of his settin.

Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on Nov 10th 2022 at 11:59:53 AM

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#68745: Nov 10th 2022 at 8:58:45 AM

Yuji Uekawa did say Eggman wasn't "evil", once. I dunno if he meant Eggman is too childhish to know good from evil.

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#68746: Nov 10th 2022 at 8:58:59 AM

[up][up]I'd say "forcing into a marriage" counts as hurting.

Edited by ShinyCottonCandy on Nov 10th 2022 at 11:59:10 AM

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#68747: Nov 10th 2022 at 9:00:53 AM

It is literally canon that Bowser likes Peach, and Mario knows he wouldn't do anything to hurt her. And Peach herself is amicable with Bowser despite the kidnapping attempts.

Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on Nov 10th 2022 at 12:01:10 PM

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#68748: Nov 10th 2022 at 9:09:30 AM

I still say holding someone against their will counts as harm. There's arguably more, but the games being E-rated limits it, combined with the series being loose with the fourth wall so that the characters know the limits of the harm that can be done.

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#68749: Nov 10th 2022 at 9:14:33 AM

That's my point; what does Bowser does is objectively wrong, but there is a limit and the game presents him as mostly harmless otherwise.

That's why I said Wily is a better comparison. But I feel it works better with Wily because its obvious his villainy is more about his bruised ego than megalomania.

That's not a bad direction for Eggman, but his actions go way above what Wily has done and he's treated his creations way worse than Wily towards his.

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#68750: Nov 10th 2022 at 9:32:15 AM

That comparison is a good one. Eggman doesn’t view his robots as individual people, just expendable soldiers.

Wily by contrast actually gives his Robot Masters a personality and allows them to be people. Wily’s evil boils down to being jealous that Light was getting all the praise. Eggman meanwhile is more sociopathic.

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