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#68651: Nov 9th 2022 at 9:49:48 AM

I mean I liked Sticks so it'd be fun to see her again.

It'd feel weird to get Tangle in a mainline game without Whisper tho.

EDIT: effing pagetopper. Talking about the namedrops in Frontiers.

Edited by MightyKombat on Nov 9th 2022 at 5:50:06 PM

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#68652: Nov 9th 2022 at 9:58:00 AM

[up]Are we not doing spoiler tags anymore?

[down]I mean, true, but some people probably would have preferred to be surprised by the little things in the game itself. Granted, as far as I can tell, I managed to pass the triggers for both lines of dialogue...

Edited by ShinyCottonCandy on Nov 9th 2022 at 1:07:33 PM

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MisterTambourineMan Unbeugsame Klinge from Under a tree Since: Jun, 2017 Relationship Status: Browsing the selection
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#68653: Nov 9th 2022 at 9:59:23 AM

[up] I don't think that's really a spoiler. It doesn't seem to be much more than name drops.

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Sunchet Since: Oct, 2010
#68654: Nov 9th 2022 at 10:02:32 AM

I mean those two aren't tied by a leg. They're not Chaotix. Besides, it could be just a start and Whisper could drop later. I suppose appeal of Tangle is that she doesn't bring too much backstory with her? I mean, if Tangle is bringing entire IDW into continuity, then Whisper is here. But if she isn't then Whisper, Jewel, Restoration are all optional. Meanwhile bringing Whisper would likely require canonizing her entire team.

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#68655: Nov 9th 2022 at 10:04:22 AM

We probably haven't seen the last of Sage, especially given the hidden ending, but do you think we've seen the last of The End?

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#68656: Nov 9th 2022 at 10:52:17 AM

[up][up] It is a spoiler and should definitely be covered up.

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#68657: Nov 9th 2022 at 10:53:54 AM

I really don't know. The ending suggests the ancient evil was destroyed once and for all, but the voice boasted it was mightier than all of Sonic's previous foes. And it's not really a joke, even if the boss fight doesn't deliver the story. Maybe it's gone for good.

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lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#68658: Nov 9th 2022 at 11:06:49 AM

Most of the issues I have with the story are about The End. I feel like its sheer scope and the extreme Inferred Holocaust surrounding its existence cast a darker lens on the entire Sonic series up to the point, especially since It Can Think and gives a whole monologue about itself. But combined with it being an Anti-Climax Boss in its 'true' form, it makes for a very weird experience that's less 'relief and joy it was stopped' and more 'wait, that's it?', especially since the final blow was delivered in a cutscene.

I know I'm thinking too much about a series about a blue hedgehog that runs fast but when the story invites these questions it's hard not to think about it. (For me personally the truly unstoppable Sonic enemy is the Death Egg Robot from Sonic 2....I still can't beat that thing.)

Edited by lalalei2001 on Nov 9th 2022 at 2:09:36 PM

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#68659: Nov 9th 2022 at 11:55:36 AM

Sadly it doesn't work in lore because in games Sonic must have beaten that robot like 5 times by now.

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#68660: Nov 9th 2022 at 1:36:47 PM

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#68661: Nov 9th 2022 at 1:52:52 PM

Can I just say the past few years have been a rather nice improvement from the dark ages. We have a pretty good comic ongoing, a successful and pretty faithful film series, a new up coming live action and animated show. And the latest game has been decently well received.

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#68662: Nov 9th 2022 at 2:18:44 PM

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I agree. Though I think some are still fearing the other shoe will drop. Admittedly, it's still earlier in this new push, and there's a chance things will go wrong. We've all spent so much time (and perhaps taken a bit too much joy in) mocking Sonic, that the realization that the series is enjoyable again (unless you were already fine with everything from the so called dark ages) might take a while to sink in.

Edit: Also, in light of Sage's status as Eggman's daughter in this game, I wonder how they'll incorporate her into the IDW comics....and what her relationship with Belle The Tinkerer (Eggman's other daughter....kinda) will be?

Edited by HandsomeRob on Nov 9th 2022 at 2:21:30 AM

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#68663: Nov 9th 2022 at 3:02:46 PM

[up][up]

That's how I feel. I just want to enjoy Sonic's goodwill with the community than question it right now.

Edited by Rabbitearsblog on Nov 9th 2022 at 3:46:48 AM

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#68664: Nov 9th 2022 at 3:07:39 PM

Same here...

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#68665: Nov 9th 2022 at 3:12:58 PM

Things could be worse I guess.

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#68666: Nov 9th 2022 at 4:33:52 PM

The End is absolutely a darker Sonic villain then most, but I still think he fits in the series quite well. This is the same series that has Mephiles after all (and IMO Mephiles was actually a good villain despite the game being bad). So I don't think him casting a darker lens on the Sonic franchise is a real problem.

Edited by ReynTime250 on Nov 9th 2022 at 12:34:03 PM

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#68667: Nov 9th 2022 at 4:40:02 PM

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I don't think Mephiles is considered a good villain.

Most everyone questions why his plot was so complicated in the first place. He travels into the future but chooses to trick Silver into going back with him to kill Sonic rather than merging with Ibilis right then and there, and it's never explained why.

I will say that I'm not sure why people feel the End is such a huge thing. Even if it's been retconned from the timeline, he still fought a Time god not too long ago. Are we saying we think The End tops Solaris?

Edit: Fixed for spoilers. My bad. I should know better.

Edited by HandsomeRob on Nov 9th 2022 at 5:07:06 AM

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#68668: Nov 9th 2022 at 4:43:12 PM

It is unknown what to think of The End in terms of scaling. Solaris appears to be stronger than him, but The End proclaims themselves stronger.

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#68669: Nov 9th 2022 at 4:47:53 PM

Yeah but how would The End know about a being that no longer exists?

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#68670: Nov 9th 2022 at 4:50:40 PM

[up][up][up] You should probably spoil any mention of The End tbh.

In any case, I always assumed Mephiles' plan was overtly complicated because he was a sadist who loved manipulating people and craved destruction. He's doing the more sadistic method because he finds it more entertaining.

But anyway, I really don't want to get into an argument about Sonic 06 right now. That wasn't the purpose of my original comment.

I personally think The End is weaker then Solaris by scaling, but Solaris doesn't exist due to the Cosmic Retcon.

Edited by ReynTime250 on Nov 9th 2022 at 12:54:21 PM

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#68671: Nov 9th 2022 at 4:51:45 PM

[up][up] In the boss monologue it says it accessed Sonic's memory while he was in cyberspace and learned of his defeats of machines and gods, all of which were mighty but finite.

For me it's less about what it's capable of doing as much as what it's already done in the backstory. Chasing the original users of the Chaos Emeralds to Earth after destroying their homeworld and indirectly laying the foundations for all future games, Chaos, and the Chao is one thing but all the worlds it successfully wiped out before getting to that point paints a pretty bleak picture for life outside Sonic's world. I even saw a theory that The End corrupted Pachamac and his tribe into collecting the Emeralds for it.

Edited by lalalei2001 on Nov 9th 2022 at 7:56:08 AM

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#68672: Nov 9th 2022 at 4:55:34 PM

Well, Mephiles is the brains. Iblis is just the muscle. So mind games makes a lot of sense as is. He's highly intelligent(not that he lacks power, obviously, but he's not extremely powerful so has to rely on manipulations).

Sadism is very clear too, yup.

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#68673: Nov 9th 2022 at 4:56:37 PM

Now I'm picturing The End arriving on Sonic's world when Dark Gaia was awake or the Black Arms were invading. Lots of would-be world destroyers out there XD

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#68674: Nov 9th 2022 at 4:58:39 PM

Honestly I'm imagining a battle royale between The End extra text to hide the length of the name and all of Super Sonic's past foes.

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#68675: Nov 9th 2022 at 5:06:15 PM

I wanna see the End defeating Infinite, at least. The bastard has the audacity to call Sonic's previous enemies "Finite" and proclaim themselves as Infinite. Funniest unintentional dialogue in the game.

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