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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#68576: Nov 8th 2022 at 10:59:14 AM

Well, I don't find Amy and Sonic's interactions boring. Agree to disagree, I guess.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#68577: Nov 8th 2022 at 11:08:56 AM

I don't dislike their interactions, I just think they're the weakest part of the game compared to the others.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#68578: Nov 8th 2022 at 11:11:06 AM

It's nice to see them actually talk to eachother for once...

Can you believe this hasn't happened for like 18 years.

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Negacube Since: Nov, 2018 Relationship Status: Healthy, deeply-felt respect for this here Shotgun
#68579: Nov 8th 2022 at 11:23:36 AM

Uh oh. I think I'm actually starting to enjoy people giving Frontiers bad reviews. r/pcgaming in particular hates it. Maybe I should step away from Reddit for a few days or years until things die down...

PhiSat Planeswalker from Everywhere and Nowhere Since: Jan, 2011
Planeswalker
#68580: Nov 8th 2022 at 11:27:41 AM

[up][up]You can talk to Amy in 360/PS3 Unleashed, and if you consider Nimue just an alternate world Amy her and Sonic had pleasant, normal conversations.

I think part of the issue in this game is that Amy's VO work just sucks, and Sonic's isn't a whole lot better (I've gotten through more of the game, Knuckles is alright imo and Tails after the opening cutscene is fine too. Sage is fine as well). Whoever was directing the voice acting in this game really shouldn't return, it's a real downgrade from past titles.

Edited by PhiSat on Nov 8th 2022 at 12:37:37 PM

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#68581: Nov 8th 2022 at 11:29:51 AM

It was intentional on part of the developers for the tone of the game.

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PhiSat Planeswalker from Everywhere and Nowhere Since: Jan, 2011
Planeswalker
#68582: Nov 8th 2022 at 11:30:43 AM

[up]Doesn't mean it's good. The vocal direction in Other M was intentional too.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#68583: Nov 8th 2022 at 11:35:36 AM

I didn't say it was good.

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LoneCourier0 The Wandering Geek from A Diverse Land (Unitroper) Relationship Status: How YOU doin'?
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#68584: Nov 8th 2022 at 11:37:34 AM

It's Jack Fletcher, he voice directed the cast since 2010 or so.

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PhiSat Planeswalker from Everywhere and Nowhere Since: Jan, 2011
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#68585: Nov 8th 2022 at 11:43:57 AM

Huh. Wonder what went so wrong then. Because yes, change of tone is one thing, but there were plenty of bleak moments in past games but Sonic never sounded so completely bored and Amy didn't sound like she was phoning it in.

Edited by PhiSat on Nov 8th 2022 at 12:44:13 PM

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#68586: Nov 8th 2022 at 11:45:27 AM

Yeah, I don't consider a one-way dialogue box to be..."characters talking to eachother."

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#68587: Nov 8th 2022 at 11:50:47 AM

Sonic voice acting has always been hit or miss, so this isn't really any different from usual. Kind of comes with the territory of having a revolving door of voice actors. :V

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#68588: Nov 8th 2022 at 12:14:27 PM

Just started playing. Two s chaos emeralds and four cyberspace levels down, plus a good chunk of the Amy stuff.

So far, my only real complaint is that Sonic feels a bit... stiff? He has a lot of recovery frames for most actions - the period between "Sonic does a thing" and "you can move Sonic again" can sometimes be much longer than you're expecting depending on the action you were just taking.

It's really noticeable in combos, but also in the cyberspace levels, because while most of them have decent time trials some of them have super strict ones, and the strict ones require you to get the absolute most out of Sonic's motion. Nothing worse that not being able to move in the goal right in front of you because Sonic is still stuck in his "launched from a spring" animation or his "boosted in midair" motion.

Beyond that, there's also the usual open world game problem of the player character being fiddly with environment geometry, but that's like a genre-wide gripe of mine that I've only ever really seen Breath of the Wild actually handle well.

Otherwise, I"m loving it (cue McDonalds Jingle).

So far I wouldn't call Sonic's acting bad, per se. Just... really weird. Really, really weird.

Like, he's doing all the inflections and stuff well, but it also sounds RCS is trying to do both Sonic's voice and a deeper voice at the same time. In game it sounds like Sonic is doing that thing where a person pretends to have a deeper voice than they do.

Maybe Sonic's trying to disguise his voice so the FBI don't recognize him.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Nov 8th 2022 at 12:33:14 PM

Sunchet Since: Oct, 2010
#68589: Nov 8th 2022 at 12:31:54 PM

Speaking of boring, as weird as it sounds I feel like cutscenes back in the day were better? Like in Adventure or Riders? Now it feels like almost every cutscene in Generations, Forces, Colors, Lost World or Frontiers are just two characters standing around in the empty field, occasionally gesticulating. It just feels stilted. If I had to see Knuckles bump his fists together for emphasis one more time...

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#68590: Nov 8th 2022 at 12:35:41 PM

I think Sonic game cutscenes tend to be less dynamic since most of the action takes place in the levels or against bosses? It might also depend on the limitations of the game engine versus FMV-style cutscenes—06's cutscenes were dynamic when animated but the game engine ones looked wonky most of the time.

It might also be that darn camera at work :P

Edited by lalalei2001 on Nov 8th 2022 at 3:36:13 PM

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#68591: Nov 8th 2022 at 12:36:38 PM

Knuckles has never done that before...

[up][up]That's not weird, they were better...typically because more stuff was actually happening.

The characters were also relatively more expression in both face and movement when the models were worse.

—-

However this did all start with Sonic Heroes...each cutscene is pretty much just the characters talking while walking around the start of each level.

Edited by randomness4 on Nov 8th 2022 at 3:36:49 PM

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#68592: Nov 8th 2022 at 12:36:48 PM

[up][up]Sounds like an open world game.

Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on Nov 8th 2022 at 3:37:09 PM

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#68593: Nov 8th 2022 at 12:43:56 PM

The mix of CG cutscenes with in-game cutscenes did also help somewhat with that dynamic feeling...

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MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
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#68594: Nov 8th 2022 at 1:09:06 PM

Re Team Sonic splitting up

honestly, my inner cynic thinks that part is SEGA deciding to bus the supporting cast for a while and go back to Sonic having solo games. Therefore I don't think it will amount to seeing Tails, Amy or Knuckles' adventures outside maybe IDW

magnum12 Since: Aug, 2009
#68595: Nov 8th 2022 at 1:19:43 PM

@Phi Sat: I disagree. I think gameplay wise at least, Amy has one of the better shots for a solo game.

Give her a 2D platformer with Mega Man Zero style gameplay and you have yourself a real banger.

Edited by magnum12 on Nov 8th 2022 at 1:20:55 AM

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#68596: Nov 8th 2022 at 1:27:42 PM

Do you think we'll see Sage in any future games?

EDIT: Awww, I just realized Orbot and Cubot have a sister <3

Edited by lalalei2001 on Nov 8th 2022 at 4:40:15 AM

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ImmaLelouch (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#68597: Nov 8th 2022 at 1:59:04 PM

You're right about the standing around. Sonic and Amy's movement when Amy tries to break him out of prison in SA 2 is way better.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#68598: Nov 8th 2022 at 2:11:38 PM

Sage mentioned something about a father.

And the only character she talks to besides Sonic, is....Eggman.

Oh my god, she's a canon version of Omelette. Calling it now.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Nov 8th 2022 at 5:12:14 AM

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#68599: Nov 8th 2022 at 2:21:06 PM

She talks to Tails and Amy...presumably Knuckles as well.

All 3 of them could be the father.

Edited by randomness4 on Nov 8th 2022 at 5:21:26 AM

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lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#68600: Nov 8th 2022 at 2:21:46 PM

If it were a choice between Sage and Omelette I'd go with Omelette but that's just me.

Also, to anyone wanting to know the secret ending, I read that there's a trick where you can change the difficulty to Hard before the final boss fight to access it upon completion. You'll know you've got it when it's a Bullet Hell phase instead of a Quick Time Event.

Edited by lalalei2001 on Nov 8th 2022 at 5:22:40 AM

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