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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#68451: Nov 6th 2022 at 10:53:18 AM

As someone who doesn't mind Ian Flynn's work; his writing is very self indulgent with references and a lot of "explaining things to the reader".

I'm saying this not as a "hater" but as someone who's been reading his work for over a decade now.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#68452: Nov 6th 2022 at 11:13:21 AM

The references are a lot.

Maybe even be a bit much.

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#68453: Nov 6th 2022 at 11:14:00 AM

But is that an objectively bad thing?

"Cynicism is not realistic and tough. It's unrealistic and kind of cowardly because it means you don't have to try."
kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#68454: Nov 6th 2022 at 11:15:34 AM

Wasn't this game made for the 30th anniversary?

Sure, what wasn't when it was released, but it was supposed it come out last year.

Edited by kkhohoho on Nov 6th 2022 at 1:16:27 PM

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#68455: Nov 6th 2022 at 11:18:30 AM

[up][up]This type of thing isn't objective to begin with.

It's a novelty.

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#68456: Nov 6th 2022 at 11:23:11 AM

It's a case where I can hear ya out, Yakuzu, because I know you enough, and Lord knows I agree in many ways. I just don't want to find more weirdos obsessed with the man and find a "GOTCHA" there.

I just want a fair review, that's all.

Edited by Tomodachi on Nov 6th 2022 at 11:29:51 AM

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#68457: Nov 6th 2022 at 11:34:05 AM

But is that an objectively bad thing?

Well then ask yourself, who does it benefit besides Sonic fans?

Its not even a one off occurrence either, it's happens a LOT.

Like I said, I have read his stories for many years. I'm not saying its 100% a bad thing either, but I can see why someone who isn't really kneedeep into Sonic could find them grating after a while.

[up] Well I can't help out with that; its up to you to decide what's a fair review or not. I was just agreeing with that particular point.

I don't really care how anyone personally feels about the guy, I'm just critiquing his work.

Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on Nov 6th 2022 at 2:35:27 PM

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#68458: Nov 6th 2022 at 11:39:32 AM

I see where Yakuzu is going here.

I think the best Mythology Gag / Call-Back / references to past parts of the franchise are when the moments can remind you of something else, but also stand on their own. As in, it works within the context of the situation it references, and if you didn't know it was already one, you'd still be ok with it.

How much it does or doesn't bother you is gonna vary from person to person, and even from situation to situation.

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NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#68459: Nov 6th 2022 at 11:41:06 AM

Apparently Ian confirmed that Classic Sonic and Modern Sonic are indeed the same Sonic

Which means Mania is canon.

Can I just say.... thank God. Thank fucking God!

The 3:30 mark

Edited by NoName999 on Nov 6th 2022 at 11:43:16 AM

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#68460: Nov 6th 2022 at 11:42:48 AM

It was supposed to be obvious.

"Cynicism is not realistic and tough. It's unrealistic and kind of cowardly because it means you don't have to try."
randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#68461: Nov 6th 2022 at 11:45:57 AM

Thank god, Classic Sonic is from a parallel time line.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#68462: Nov 6th 2022 at 11:49:29 AM

Fyi, while its not officially confirmed yet; pretty sure SAGE's English voice is Ryan Bartley. She's the only new credited voice in the credits that isn't one of the regulars. So SAGE is Rei in English and Japanese.

They're not even being subtle anymore huh.

Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on Nov 6th 2022 at 2:49:39 PM

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#68463: Nov 6th 2022 at 11:51:03 AM

Mania was already canon anyway. As Forces is too. The only thing was that people were unsure if Classic Sonic was from an alternate dimension or alternate timeline. Keeping in mind the Time Eater existed, and could entirely restore pieces of time itself that were hard erased(so far, we saw no hints at alternate timelines in the games as a real thing, more instead that changing history created one future. Which is why Blaze not returning with everyone else was weird. Silver's old timeline didn't exist, but Blaze was still a person who existed in the present timeline to begin with. Understandably, her whole purpose of sacrificing herself, even if not strictly via dying, felt entirely pointless by the ending).

I honestly wouldn't have been bothered either way. It being an alternate dimension or timeline means they could use Classic Sonic far better in his own series and once in a while talk to Modern Sonic. That, and Modern Sonic has evolved in personality that they act quite different. As well as have quite a few different experiences. Sonic at one point died(though it's unclear if he would've remembered it when the Time Eater restored Crisis City, but it wasn't from his specific part of the timeline, just Blaze's in that context, so who knows how anyone else felt), but also dealt with some pretty terrifying creatures and transformations that Classic Sonic never had to deal with. So it had some really good potential if they were more separated. Thankfully they might still be able to pull off some good conversations in general even then, even with some different context. For instance "Remember when you had to face Metal Knuckles?" ...Of which Modern Sonic faced two copies(instead of the original) later on, heh.

Shadow?
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#68464: Nov 6th 2022 at 11:54:59 AM

[up][up] Not Amanda Winn Lee or Brina Palencia?

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#68465: Nov 6th 2022 at 12:06:01 PM

Netflix dub.

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#68466: Nov 6th 2022 at 12:19:56 PM

So far the references in Frontiers havent bothered me, as they are done to compare something in the story with a previous event.

However, two references really bother me because it invites discussions of Messy continuity. Admitedly this isnt new in the series, Pariah quoting, "Sonic Team doesnt give a shit". But I was hoping Flynn would, unless he's playing the long game and expects to find a way to make one of the two references work.

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lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#68467: Nov 6th 2022 at 12:21:02 PM

Messy continuity in what way?

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#68468: Nov 6th 2022 at 12:34:09 PM

    the references that make one scratch their head 

Tangle and Sticks are mentioned.

The events of IDW contradict the ones from Team Sonic Racing.

And Sticks is just a weird case because she has never appeared in the main series. Who is this character Amy mentions she hangs with?

However, this aint new, as Sonic Battle and Blaze the Cat caused continuity issues too.

Edited by Tomodachi on Nov 6th 2022 at 12:35:14 PM

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BorneAgain (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#68469: Nov 6th 2022 at 12:49:49 PM

[up] My assumption is that figures like Tangle and Sticks exist in the game universe in broad strokes form. Basically there have been versions of them that the main cast have met and befriended in unseen adventures likely not wholly dissimilar to what happened in the comics and Boom game respectively.

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#68470: Nov 6th 2022 at 1:04:35 PM

     Easier this way. 
  • You'll have to go over the inconsistencies in Sonic Battle. Cause a lot of them aren't continuity errors that I can think of, just a lack of explanation yet still feasible. If you're going to mention anything about Shadow, they made it clear in the game from an albeit single line, that Chaos Gamma is made from parts of the original Gamma and Omega. As this game takes place after Adventure 01, that means any mention of Gamma is logical. At worst they didn't entirely explain how Rouge knew about it, but she was a spy in Eggman's regimen. She likely knows a lot about him and his past creations as part of her job. There's more than one way. She could've been show information on every enemy they knew so far, or came across it while looking through his files offscreen. It's not a continuity problem here. It's just a lack of explanation, but still works.
  • For Omega in particular, the game blatantly has to take place after Heroes alone as Shadow was considered dead. We also see him very exhausted, like if he was just revived. His power hasn't fully come back. There's no denying that the writing fits it in just fine. The worst that happens is his own game, but we see him letting go of his past, but moreso moving on. It doesn't mean he will just stop remembering those he cares about. Maria doesn't leave his heart. It just means he moved on from his previous trauma instead. The only real other things is that Chaos Blast is decently inspired by Chaos Burst, but you can also see it as a unique reverse; Chaos Burst is a very underpowered version, due to Shadow being weakened beyond belief. Now, I could see a case where Battle coming after his own game is kind of weird, since it's not really clear why he'd be suddenly so weakened. That has nothing to do with letting his past go. That's about... the closest thing to messy it gets I can legitimately think of.
  • That said, who says Sticks etc. can't appear in the main timeline now? Tons of characters get adapted over into works.

Clearly it doesn't want to properly cooperate. Hope this is a little easier to read. .-.;

Edited by Irene on Nov 6th 2022 at 2:11:37 AM

Shadow?
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#68471: Nov 6th 2022 at 1:13:26 PM

LMAO THERE'S A SOFT LOCK

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#68472: Nov 6th 2022 at 1:14:31 PM

I await the day we get a spin off that's Big The Cat's fishing adventures!

I'm not kidding either.

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#68473: Nov 6th 2022 at 1:34:33 PM

Can someone put "#Knowing Smile" as a caption for Ian Flynn 's article?

Because you won't believe how AMUSED I am today of Frontiers so far.

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#68474: Nov 6th 2022 at 1:39:56 PM

In a good or bad way?

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#68475: Nov 6th 2022 at 2:00:29 PM

Amused is neutral.

Bemused is positive.

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