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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#68351: Nov 4th 2022 at 1:19:07 PM

R.I.P. Two timelines lore

From the recent Bumblekast episode, Ian Flynn confirms that Classic Sonic games are officially set in the past, not in another dimension.

We really are healing. grin

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#68352: Nov 4th 2022 at 2:00:23 PM

IIRC, we've known that for at least a few months, but I suppose it bears repeating given how long Sonic Team was pushing the alternative.

powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#68353: Nov 4th 2022 at 2:57:39 PM

And it fundamentally doesn’t work given how SA 1 references the Classics pretty often.

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BorneAgain (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#68354: Nov 4th 2022 at 3:05:32 PM

I was always in a weird spot of thinking that Classic and Modern were the same, but that the events of Generations and/or Mania have split the timeline.

I'm not really bothered given that the series is inconsistent about this stuff that its a coin flip odds that they'll change their minds about this stuff in a decade anyway.

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#68355: Nov 4th 2022 at 3:16:11 PM

I was more under the idea that the Classic Sonic from Generations was just from an alternate universe(and used for more games), not that the entire timeline was split(though that is a logical consequence of the Time Eater's action. It could bring back stuff written out of existence, like Sonic 06's stuff. Which does explain why Blaze suddenly remembered certain events, because the timeline was partially restored).

Regardless, either would've worked anyway as alternate universes exist regardless(Sonic Boom's own universe, for instance).

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#68356: Nov 4th 2022 at 3:20:25 PM

I've always believed that Classic Sonic was basically Modern Sonic when he was younger. I don't know why Sonic Team thought it was a good idea to suddenly split the timelines between Classic Sonic and Modern Sonic.

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erazor0707 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
#68357: Nov 4th 2022 at 3:25:38 PM

Someone wanted to Throw It In without thinking, I guess.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#68358: Nov 4th 2022 at 3:25:50 PM

I try not to think about it too much.

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#68359: Nov 4th 2022 at 3:34:46 PM

Classic Sonic just being from the same timeline wasn't even odd. Or being an alternate timeline. The Time Eater's powers are ill-defined enough that neither is weird.

Classic Sonic just got weirder when they decided to use the Phantom Ruby from his own game in Frontiers as a key plot point, meaning that they needed to tie Mania in directly to the overall storyline.

...So they just went with something that was quick and easy enough to make sense.

That said, I forget if Mania was a fangame, then Sega basically asked them to redo it for consoles, or if Sonic Mania was simply done by people who did fangames. If the former, then Sonic Team wouldn't really know "where" to put it in the storyline because they weren't really part of the game's original creation. If the latter, just a case of not thinking it through. I mean, it'd just happen after 4 at best, since it references stuff up to that(and some might view it at a better 4, heh).

Shadow?
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#68360: Nov 4th 2022 at 3:39:46 PM

[up] IIRC, Sega contracted Christian Whitehead and Headcannon to make Mania after the success of the iOS ports of Sonic 1 and 2 and the remaster of CD. So it was never a fangame, just made by people who started their careers making fangames.

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#68361: Nov 4th 2022 at 3:42:55 PM

Ah, thank you. I always got those mixed up.

Maybe they just didn't communicate well enough with Sonic team, creating this mess.

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Numbuh1234 Since: Apr, 2014
#68362: Nov 4th 2022 at 3:47:05 PM

If a spoiler thread IS made for the game, please do link it here, I'd love to get my hands on all of the juicy info contained within.

WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#68363: Nov 4th 2022 at 3:54:40 PM

At this point we don't actually have a thread specifically for Frontiers at all, spoiler thread or not. This thread is all we have.

Edited by WillKeaton on Nov 4th 2022 at 4:55:01 AM

magnum12 Since: Aug, 2009
#68364: Nov 4th 2022 at 5:59:11 PM

I was always under the impression that Classic Sonic was some form of aftermath of a temporal disturbance (Time Eater, Phantom Ruby)….and there’s a chance he suffered some partial memory loss of the incident afterwards (thus averting Temporal Paradox).

-Edit: Where does Mania take place in the time line? So far what I’ve got is

Sonic -> CD -> 2 -> 3 -> Adventure -> Advance -> Adventure 2 -> Advance 2 -> Heroes -> Shadow the Hedgehog -> Battle -> Advance 3 -> 06 -> Rush -> Rush 2 -> Colors -> Generations (Sonic should have turned 16 at this point) -> Lost World -> Forces.

Still trying to figure out where Rivals 1 & 2 along with the Riders games are.

Edited by magnum12 on Nov 4th 2022 at 6:21:04 AM

powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#68365: Nov 4th 2022 at 6:24:44 PM

I’d say the first two Advance games are before Adventure 1. Advance 1 straight up has the Tornado 1 in it, plus the Eggman’s plans are far more simpler than anything that came after chronologically.

I’d say Mania is in a separate timeline after 3&K/Generations.

Edited by powerpuffbats on Nov 4th 2022 at 8:25:53 AM

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#68366: Nov 4th 2022 at 6:37:54 PM

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#68367: Nov 4th 2022 at 6:39:42 PM

The Tornado is in every game since then...

As in from Unleashed onward.

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powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#68368: Nov 4th 2022 at 6:44:59 PM

[up]But isn’t repaired until Unleashed. All incarnations of the plane that are in games chronologically after SA 1 are versions that Tails built.

Plus, Cream makes a cameo in the later ports of SA 1.

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kkhohoho (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#68369: Nov 4th 2022 at 6:45:27 PM

[up][up]x4 They were made after Sonic Adventure 1. Unless it's a Sonic Mania dealie or SEGA specifically stated it, they take place afterwards, Tornado or no Tornado. No if's or buts.

Edited by kkhohoho on Nov 4th 2022 at 8:46:12 AM

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#68370: Nov 4th 2022 at 6:52:30 PM

[up][up]It's not rebuilt at all, Tails just has a new one.

Which is not the plane from Unleashed, I did mean since Unleashed...the classic Tornado is back.

Edited by randomness4 on Nov 4th 2022 at 9:57:33 AM

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KuroBaraHime ☆♥☆ Since: Jan, 2011
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#68371: Nov 4th 2022 at 7:17:03 PM

I would just assume the games mostly take place in release order unless there's some reason to think otherwise. The main examples of that I can think of being Battle (released a week before Heroes but Shadow is in it and seems to remember his past so it works best after his own game), Rush (released before 06 but would have to be after because of Blaze), and Mania (is supposed to take place in the "classic era" so presumably some time between 3&K and Adventure). And Tails Adventure (manual says it takes place before Tails met Sonic) if we consider that canon.

The look of the Tornado is each game is kind interesting, but I don't think it really means anything. Also, Unleashed wasn't the first game after Adventure 1 and Advance 1 to have the classic red Tornado in it, it was in Rush Adventure and Chronicles as well.

Numbuh1234 Since: Apr, 2014
#68372: Nov 4th 2022 at 7:18:41 PM

In the end card for SA 1 (which, given it says "FIN" and Gamma's depicts the two birds reunited, is definitely set after the character's respective story mode) has Tails alongside the Tornado 1, suggesting that it was definitely fixed. In addition, that isn't even HIS plane, that's Sonic's. Unless he just gives Sonic a new plane (which he hasn't), it would make sense for him to repair Sonic's plane for him.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#68373: Nov 4th 2022 at 7:24:46 PM

[up][up]It's the actual bi-plane.

As in "Red, Grey wings, one seat, and Sonic's name is on the side".

Every other Tornado (besides the one in SA2 and Sonic Advance 3) prior to Lost World are all red, 2 seats, and Tails' logo is all over it.

This is what I'm saying, none of those are the classic Tornado.

Edited by randomness4 on Nov 4th 2022 at 10:26:04 AM

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WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#68374: Nov 4th 2022 at 7:28:08 PM

Where did Sonic even get a biplane from anyway?

powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#68375: Nov 4th 2022 at 7:33:00 PM

[up]Uhh…internet?

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