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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#68126: Oct 30th 2022 at 12:09:36 PM

[up][up]Well she was created as a rival to Knuckles so you can't exactly blame fans for that.

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#68127: Oct 30th 2022 at 12:25:35 PM

Rouge definitely feels like one the easiest non-main characters (ie anyone below Sonic/Tails/Knuckles/Amy/Shadow/Eggman) to elevate to the top cast for an adaptation especially if they want a bit more gender parity. She's well known, is in the home setting of the of others, has skills to be in action oriented show, and any other character associations she does possess have been greatly de-emphasized in the last decade.

Essentially other than a costume change there's not much work needed to slightly reposition her within Sonic media and merchandising.

Edited by BorneAgain on Oct 30th 2022 at 3:34:05 PM

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#68128: Oct 30th 2022 at 12:29:40 PM

I mean, she started as a main character and stayed as one for a bit. Sonic Heroes kept this, Sonic Battle never had "side characters" beyond at best Chaos Zero due to how the story overall goes, and at most you had spin-offs later on like Riders and Rivals, though. It's Shadow's game that turned her into a supporting character and it kept ever since. Sonic Heroes is odd because the Speed character isn't inherently as important or the necessary leader. She's undoubtedly the original leader of Team Dark in-story, but other games have her less in control of the situation, probably cause Shadow's popularity exceeded hers tremendously, so.

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#68129: Oct 30th 2022 at 12:49:09 PM

Well in SA 2, Rouge & Knuckles are probably the least relevant rival pairing out of all of the main characters; Sonic/Shadow, Tails/Eggman tie into the main plot rather neatly, but Knuckles/Rouge are outliers. And that's mainly because Rouge doesn't want vengeance or world domination like Shadow & Eggman do, so her overall goal is the least malicious and was ready to abandon them once her job was finished.

She's the leader of Team Dark in Heroes yes, but the focus is primarily on Shadow's identity and memory issues. It doesn't help that once again, Shadow's rivalry with Sonic is focused on more than Rouge's leadership. So to me, it just feels like the writers played favorites with Shadow over her.

But [up][up] is right as Rouge has enough agency to act on her own since she has a pretty easily identifiable goal (Jewels) that lends credence on why she'd encounter everyone every now and then; she's friends with Shadow (well...she's supposed to be), has a rivalry with Knuckles, and her own selfish goals technically puts her at odds with the other heroes given the whole Chaos Emerald fiasco.

I just hope Prime doesn't sanitize her too much to make her just another good guy.

Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on Oct 30th 2022 at 3:50:33 PM

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#68130: Oct 30th 2022 at 12:52:43 PM

Actually serious question since we're talking about Rogue...

Has she EVER exchanged a single line of dialogue with Sonic? And I mean, Sonic has to respond back to her, so Generations doesn't count.

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#68131: Oct 30th 2022 at 12:54:16 PM

[up]Wasn’t Sonic the one Rouge asked at the end of Adventure 2 if he thinks Shadow’s really gone?

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#68132: Oct 30th 2022 at 12:59:12 PM

The only other one I can think of is Sonic Colors on DS

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#68133: Oct 30th 2022 at 1:01:21 PM

Oh, definitely. The rivalry didn't even kind of matter till the ending, where at best it let them... having the full Master Emerald on Space Colony ARK a little faster, if even that?

However, Rouge's core story isn't so much as her secret agent thing being specifically to figure out what happened on ARK, which sadly isn't shown outside of cutscenes, and kind of slightly with her trying to sneak into Eggman's base. They don't put enough emphasis on that. Knuckles more or less is even worse, as he really just exists to get the pieces back and sometimes act as their treasure hunter for specific items. He doesn't have his own hard goal in the same way.

That said, yeah, as a specific set of characters, they hold the least normal plot importance. The Master Emerald is important to the final story, as is Knuckles, and Rouge more or less takes a backseat a bit too. At that point, Rouge doesn't contribute nearly as much beyond her level part. Tails and Eggman are fully figuring out everything, Sonic is still the core hero as normal, Shadow's goal is to take out the Biolizard(later on, after Amy, who contributes a little to the overall game, but is still very important at the end respectively. And her rescuing Sonic isn't all that notable, other than having her one silly "Please marry me!" moment, anyway. So more comedy at that point. She also starts the "hug any Hedgehog" joke, even if it didn't last that long. Tails could've rescued Sonic alone without issues too, but I appreciate Amy being in the game as she keeps it from being dark all the time, as as noted, instigates Shadow's heel-face turn.

That said, the game does pretty much try and make Sonic and Shadow the core protagonists according to the box, but Eggman is pretty clearly the one in charge of the Dark Team there. So it's more muddy than what the cover shows. But at least it's cool to show off the next characters more~ I think only Adventure 2: Battle had the entire core cast(6 playable characters) on the front instead? It's been a while since I looked at both.

But yes, Rouge and Knuckles are clearly the least important in the plot. Tails can also be close to that, as despite being Eggman's rival, the fox doesn't contribute nearly as much. Shadow is Shadow, and the plot revolves heavily around him anyway, and duh, it's Sonic. Unless he's not the star of a game, or barely active in a plot, anyway(side or otherwise, as Sonic 06 somewhat showed, heh).

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#68134: Oct 30th 2022 at 1:03:28 PM

I think Rouge talked to Sonic in Battle when he was annoyed she was making Emerl a jewel thief.

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#68135: Oct 30th 2022 at 1:05:59 PM

Rouge and Sonic had quite a bit of dialogue in Battle. However, Rouge's rival was more basically Amy in practice. She didn't interact with Knuckles to any real degree there, but that's cause she wasn't after the Emeralds he had or was protecting. Eggman already shattered many Chaos Emeralds, and Rouge wanted those instead. Everybody was after them too. She had more interaction with Tails(which actually is pretty funny, since she's the Flyer of Team Dark, same as Tails is for Team Sonic, in the next game, which was is a great coincidence since they were designed around the same time. Probably part of why Rouge knew of Omega in general, to kind of tie them together).

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#68136: Oct 30th 2022 at 1:12:05 PM

Sonic & Rouge actually do interact quite a bit in Battle, mainly because she wants Emerl for herself and tries to seduce Sonic into giving him up. Sonic is naturally not interested, but just gives her Emerl anyway since he knows better.

Think they interacted a few times in Sonic X and Sonic Rivals 2.

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#68137: Oct 30th 2022 at 1:36:14 PM

I remember Rouge lightly seducing Tails at times. I just don't remember her actually seducing Sonic. But I don't remember how she outright convinced him to let her take control of Emerl. I'll look up the dialogue later(if it's not explained further for me by the time I get back) since the script is on Gamefaqs.

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#68138: Oct 30th 2022 at 1:37:33 PM

No, she doesn't seduce him at all. Sonic gives her Emerl of his own will because he knows Rouge won't be able to control him.

Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on Oct 30th 2022 at 4:37:47 AM

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#68139: Oct 30th 2022 at 1:51:20 PM

How do people here feel about Rouge's characterization?

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#68140: Oct 30th 2022 at 1:57:23 PM

In which media?

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#68141: Oct 30th 2022 at 2:03:10 PM

In general (cartoons,video games)

I feel like,based off my exposure to her she's mainly a jewel thief

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#68142: Oct 30th 2022 at 2:08:48 PM

That's what he is; but she's also a spy depending on if the medium actually has her working for the government or not

Rouge is hella underrated imo; she had a bit of the spotlight for a few years after her debut and being one of the stars for Sonic X as we mentioned a few pages back, but then she fell off in the mid 2000's.

And its sad because her main motivation is perfect and natural for getting in Sonic's way compared to the more forced ways they often have Knuckles and Shadow do. She has a bit more to offer than merely being another supporting character/

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#68143: Oct 30th 2022 at 2:11:05 PM

I feel like in a world where she wasn't from an alternate dimension, Blaze would take up that fifth slot instead of Rouge.

Hell, in a world where she was conceptualized a decade or two earlier, she'd probably be taking the fourth slot instead of Amy.

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#68144: Oct 30th 2022 at 2:16:06 PM

Its so fucking weird how they made a character that fits in perfectly with the main cast...and then decided she needs to live in an entirely different dimension.

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#68145: Oct 30th 2022 at 2:38:35 PM

I honestly prefer it over the character just being around for no reason.

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#68146: Oct 30th 2022 at 2:41:05 PM

Then maybe stop making them recurring characters, but make it difficult to actually be recurring.

Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on Oct 30th 2022 at 5:41:37 AM

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#68147: Oct 30th 2022 at 2:41:44 PM

This is why I say Sonic 06 should have used Blaze for both Silver and Elise's role.

She's a Princess, you could tie in her fire powers to Ibilis, you could give her both Silver's arc of debating whether killing Sonic to save her kingdom is right and Elise's arc of opening up (something she already had to do in her own game), and still have the Sol emeralds as being important.

Since she's actually able to fight, she can be far more proactive than Elise as well.

Maybe just have her from a part of the world Sonic hasn't had much chance to explore instead of completely different universe.

Now it's been pointed out some things wouldn't work, and I agree. I know this, but I really think it would have worked....provided the game was also developed properly, which is the other issue about 06.

Alternatively, maybe if Sonic Rush had been the big 3D game instead of 06.

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#68148: Oct 30th 2022 at 2:43:42 PM

It wouldn't work because Blaze was never conceptualized with that role in mind.

Both Rush and 06 were developed at roughly the same time and both teams had completely different ideas.

Someone on the 06 team just decided "Hey, let's just shove that latest character from the DS game in here so we don't have to make another character. No I don't care if it breaks her story and continuity, do it anyway"

They Just Didn't Care basically.

Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on Oct 30th 2022 at 5:44:16 AM

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#68149: Oct 30th 2022 at 2:45:20 PM

And this is why Sega needs to stop splitting up teams and not having them coordinate.

But they have a long history of right hand vs left hand death matches, so I'm not shocked.

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#68150: Oct 30th 2022 at 2:46:37 PM

There's no traditional B-team...

Dimps wasn't going to work on a mainline Sonic game anyway.

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