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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#68101: Oct 29th 2022 at 9:23:12 PM

It's a shame because Liam O'Brian is doing his hardest to sell Infinite's breakdown. He genuinely likes he's going insane.

But not even he can make this shit work.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#68102: Oct 29th 2022 at 9:25:04 PM

I enjoy Infinite more since Edgy villains are just fun to watch for me, but objectively speaking yea he's a terribly written villain lmao. All of his posturing is completely undermined by the fact that he does the most cliche'd and stupid villainous things, but the game treats him with no sense of irony about it. When Eggman is calling you out for your lack of foresight, you've got a problem.

Elise is stale white-bread, but I can at least understand what they were going for with her. That era of Sonic was specifically him about being a Blithe Spirit who changed the lives of everyone he met, and Elise learns to live her life through her interactions with him. But the whole psuedo-romance between them, Elise essentially having little to no agency of her own (for justified reasons since she's not a superhero, but still), and just overall being very boring...it just falls flat.

They both suffer from the same problem; extremely underdeveloped and botched writing.

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magnum12 Since: Aug, 2009
#68103: Oct 29th 2022 at 9:30:11 PM

The sad part is Liam did an excellent job in terms of performance but that performance couldn’t save the character.

Speaking of VA, if Vanilla shows up again, can we get Xanthe Huynh as the role?

Edited by magnum12 on Oct 29th 2022 at 9:34:50 AM

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#68104: Oct 29th 2022 at 10:02:22 PM

The actual reason Rouge is hanging out with Team Sonic in Prime.

https://twitter.com/VioletMadness7/status/1585957991307788288?s=20&t=OZvJFF9KaCmFvAibvchqhw

Basically, get bent Shadow you friendless loser.

Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on Oct 29th 2022 at 1:02:37 PM

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GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Since: May, 2011 Relationship Status: In love with love
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#68105: Oct 29th 2022 at 10:08:03 PM

Shadow x Rouge shippers:

"Mai waifu."
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#68106: Oct 29th 2022 at 10:09:43 PM

Blame not me, but Sega.

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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#68107: Oct 30th 2022 at 4:47:03 AM

Been blaming SEGA for almost a decade tbh.

Rouge as her own character and not just Shadow's satellite is neat. Rouge as her own character who also happens to be Shadow's friend is neater.

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#68108: Oct 30th 2022 at 7:01:40 AM

Something I just realized is that the variations of the cast Sonic may encounter in Prime will make them ideal for popping up in Speed Battle down the line. Bionic Amy I can easily see as an addition within the next year.

mstorzil Crimson Helios Since: Nov, 2019
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#68109: Oct 30th 2022 at 8:50:12 AM

Not that I'm sure most will care because, well, barely anyone talks about Sonic Rivals, but...

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#68110: Oct 30th 2022 at 9:19:05 AM

Speaking of Rouge.

Anyone else find it strange how they're using her as a 5th member for Team Sonic.

Despite Cream previously occupying that spot for a few years? They did it with Sticks too.

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#68111: Oct 30th 2022 at 9:33:16 AM

Rouge is more well liked by both the staff and the fandom.

There you go.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#68112: Oct 30th 2022 at 9:57:21 AM

[up]

It may also be that Cream is considered too young....even though she'll only slightly younger than Tails.

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Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#68113: Oct 30th 2022 at 10:00:56 AM

Yeah, the time when Cream would have been a main character in one of these things has passed. I'm not surprised they went with Rouge.

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#68114: Oct 30th 2022 at 10:24:41 AM

Cream's odd in that her first appearance gave her no real story/characterization. She's just there. Battle came along and gave her proper development. She's more active in Heroes. ...That's kind of it. Sonic X bothers throughout three seasons to develop her from a completely innocent girl with a strong opinion(which wasn't bad either, actually. She was the only one who never fought during Season 3. She used her words instead), to someone willing to battle in Season 2 at some point(the Sonic Battle Arc does a very loose and fast version of it, but it's animated really damn well and has her deal the finishing blow to Emerl, who doesn't get rebuilt anyway). Come Season 3 and she's an active fighter, directly matching how she was personality during her development in Battle. She may not like to fight, but she will to save the world/galaxy/etc. Her innocent demeanor is still clearly a thing in-universe, as Vector tried to bring her home despite being given strict orders to just check up on her(plus, respectively, he really liked Cream's Mom, but also in a way he cares about how she feels. So one of the better added crushes in the show. He's a comic relief character mostly, but they actually play his attempted relationship angle in a fairly healthy way).

I know she's in Advance 3, but it's a weird one because, again, the story is much more loose, so even including that... at the end, Gemerl goes with her. She doesn't show up outside of spin-offs or mini-games as playable after that, always playing a more innocent character. Who knows why. Maybe her being more battle-ready didn't sit well with them or something?

Tails also wasn't designed to be "innocent" to any degree, which Sonic X majorly played up, so that might be why. He was designed more closely to be a battle partner(at least once entered in the games). It's only the TV shows that tried to make Tails a lot younger, instead of clearly somewhat younger than Sonic. I don't remember how the comics went with for his age. Besides that, he was older but got his age retconned in Heroes, easily showing he wasn't normally designed to be that young in the games.

Shadow?
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#68115: Oct 30th 2022 at 10:27:47 AM

Now at days I interpret it more as Sonic Team not being keen on too many supporting characters, and that's what Cream is. In the staff of Prime, Amy and Tails are supporting characters but Knuckles and Rouge are active characters because they can have their own story without supporting Sonic.

Of course, I know what I say has very little merit considering how Sonic Team wrote those two as glued to Sonic or Shadow.

Edited by Tomodachi on Oct 30th 2022 at 10:30:33 AM

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#68116: Oct 30th 2022 at 10:36:51 AM

Yea, Knuckles' days of being his own character are over; Iizuka even said that Tails, Amy and Knuckles are Sonic's closest friends, so it's clear they see him as a support character for Sonic above anything else.

Rouge is weird because she's never had much of a dynamic with anyone in Team Sonic aside from Knuckles ironically enough. So I'm wondering how they're going to develop that.

We can have a Three Plus Two scenario where the main trio is Sonic, Tails, and Amy with Knuckles and Rouge being outliers. Or a Two Girls to a Team where Amy and Rouge are the outliers to the Classic trio.

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erazor0707 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
#68117: Oct 30th 2022 at 10:39:58 AM

Three Plus Two sounds about right. Knuckles and Rogue can definitely carry outside Sonic, Tails, and Amy.

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#68118: Oct 30th 2022 at 10:40:24 AM

They may have picked Rouge over Cream because they thought the latter wouldn't fit with Prime's tone.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#68119: Oct 30th 2022 at 10:50:44 AM

Maybe Rouge is just hanging out with Knuckles because she's waiting for an opportunity to steal the Master Emerald again, and just gets dragged into Sonic's shit by default.tongue

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#68120: Oct 30th 2022 at 10:54:25 AM

Master Emerald doesn't seem to be present...as usual.

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WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#68121: Oct 30th 2022 at 10:59:56 AM

Wanna guess how many different dimensions we run through before the end?

Edited by WillKeaton on Oct 30th 2022 at 12:06:33 PM

jouXIII The One Who Knows Many Things from Between the Multiverses (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#68122: Oct 30th 2022 at 11:02:04 AM

[up]x3 That's basically what happened to Rouge in Sonic X, if you replace "Knuckles" with "Eggman" and "Master Emerald" with "Chaos Emeralds".

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#68123: Oct 30th 2022 at 11:03:43 AM

It is a weird day for me since I feel the intense urge to gush about how much I love Rouge

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#68124: Oct 30th 2022 at 11:58:26 AM

Seem slike when fans aren't stapling her to Shadow they're just stapling her to Knuckles instead.

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#68125: Oct 30th 2022 at 12:00:45 PM

It didn't help that her biggest dynamics were tied to one of them. She plays off of both well, and yeah, her main thing in Adventure 2 was basically being about Shadow(her goal was to research the Shadow Project, after all). Thankfully it's not all she is(as Sonic X blatantly showed. And there was no Omega equivalent and she barely hung out with Emerl as well. Hell, Bokkun had more notable screentime with Emerl).

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