I didn't say he wasn't justified.
But most people who dislike humanity usually are in some way.
This isn't about how right or wrong it is. I'm just kinda....you know...sick of it.
Sick of stories reminding us of how awful we are. Not because it's untrue, but because it feels like these stories feel there's nothing else to say on the matter.
As I said, my issue is more how often it gets used. Shadow should hate humanity. I can't argue with that. I just don't think it's a particularly interesting motive with how often it gets used....and how pervasive it is in real life.
Sometimes, I want my fiction to....you know....not reflect the real world too often. To be better.
He is much better though. He's still willing to fight for the world even if he doesn't like it. It's fortunate Maria's memory means so much to him, cause I'm pretty sure he'd still be trying to kill everyone if not for her last request.
One Strip! One Strip!I'd add that those stories only judge us at our worst instead of the full picture. Almost like they decided to paint us under the same brush from the cruelest onces, even though the truth is far complicated and not even close to that. So yeah, you can most of those stories are half-truths at best.
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Ok, just most of the minority of them do.
Edited by randomness4 on Oct 29th 2022 at 1:53:28 PM
Rules of the Internet 45. Rule 45 is a lie. Check out my art if you notice.Yeah, that’s the kind of thing I’m thinking about now that humans and animal folks are from the same world.
Like, Shadow’s animosity is human centric because in the games where he came up, the setting was solely Sonic and friends with literally everyone else on the planet being human. “Humans took everything away from me” was equivalent to “people took everything away from me,” and Shadow was generally misanthropic rather than specifically hateful towards a specific species.
But now that they’re supposedly committing to both groups being from the same planet, I wonder if that will change. Will we start seeing more animal people in GUN? Maybe they’ll have their own GUN? Etc.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 29th 2022 at 1:45:50 AM
Sonic's world is very undefined; animals outside the main cast didn't really exist until recently.
But I'm gonna assume its like Dragon Ball where homosapiens and animals just...co-exist and you're just supposed to accept that at face value.
So Shadow's "hate humanity" attitude likely doesn't differentiate animal people or humans as they're both treated as the same thing as far as the games go.
They just inexplicably live in different areas of the plant for whatever reason.
A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.At the very least, Shadow hating certain humans makes sense with his backstory. Humanity in general was more of a misunderstanding, since he was judging the actions of a few to mean the whole(and hardly knew other humans. Maria was the only good one he loosely remembers, Gerald was off his rocker, and Eggman was evil. G.U.N. pretty much was their enemy, and he barely outright met other humans, maybe at most seeing a glance of them). As said before, Adventure 1 and 2 had very few anthro characters, so at the time, humanity was more meaning actual humans. It's thankfully changed to be more accurate that they all exist, but the closest we saw was the dead Echidna tribte, and more or less, the Chao. It's mainly the Comics and some of the shows that have tons of anthro characters, not always a separate world. Sonic X is however one of the few to show that there's a ton of anthro and humans, regardless of the split world, making it the most accurate to what it's supposed to be(at least apparently?).
Shadow?I've read the theory before that the 'Mobians' in mainline Sonic continuity are basically are just viewed as a subspecies of humans. The main reasons for thinking this being that they've never been separated out from humans with any sort of name or anything, there's some times where characters refer to humanity in a way that would seem to include the animal people too, and the animal characters often described in ways that omit the animal part, like NPCs in SA1 often describe Amy as a "pink-haired girl" without mentioning she's a hedgehog.
Could also be why Sonic's original girlfriend design was a human too. They weren't really separate outright species. Or why even the concept of Elise x Sonic(albeit, it's not as strong as people imply by default) was put in the game.
They never were trying to separate them and it's purely a thing from the other media. The only actual different species we see otherwise are Flickies, normal Animals(which Flickies may fall under), Robots(as tons are sapient, respectively), and some kind of undefined Alien(Black Arms at least, possibly others like whatever Lumina Flowlight is meant to be, etc).
Shadow?According to Word of God, the separation started with Sonic Adventure 1 and was a thing ever since until very recently (I think Frontiers might be the first game developed after the change). It’s dumb and makes a lot of the stories inexplicable, but according to the devs it was very much an explicit part of games’ design for a very long time.
It’s why whether the world is populated by humans or is mostly just flickes is entirely on a game by game basis.
Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 29th 2022 at 2:46:56 AM
Iizuka Says “We Plan to Include Shadow in More Content”
More headaches in the future, garanteed.
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If they bring Shadow back to his 2006 incarnation, there should be no problems.
I’d say the bulk of Shadow’s issues (distrust of humanity, wrath) stem from the aftermath of his heavily implied PTSD. PTSD is a [redacted] that causes all sorts of messed up stuff.
In his earlier days, Shadow could have been a valid candidate for an Odio incarnation (some of you know what I’m talking about). Cue “Fugue for the Lord of Dark”.
Not like Odio isn’t completely wrong. Humanity for the most part DOES in fact suck. Experiance is a good teacher.
Edited by magnum12 on Oct 29th 2022 at 3:30:07 AM

Depends on what happens. I think Shadow is very justified in how he feels.
And besides, he's a little better off nowadays.
A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.