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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#67026: Sep 18th 2022 at 2:37:47 PM

[up][up] So what you're saying is that Japanese gamers are scrubs.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#67027: Sep 18th 2022 at 2:43:23 PM

Only sometimes...

Other times American gamers are scrubs.

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Tomodachi Now a lurker. See you at the forums. Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#67028: Sep 18th 2022 at 3:09:09 PM

From my experience, the few Japanese fans I have seen are female, yes. They love Sonic and Shadow, mostly. And the more Japanophilic fans are female too.

Don't really have much else to add here.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#67029: Sep 18th 2022 at 3:24:27 PM

Aoi Yūki is a very vocal lover of this series as well.

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LoneCourier0 The Wandering Geek from A Diverse Land (Unitroper) Relationship Status: How YOU doin'?
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#67030: Sep 18th 2022 at 3:30:25 PM

Don't forget the most beloved Vtuber doggo, Inugami Korone, who became a big fan enough to be named as an ambassaddor by Sega.

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ImmaLelouch (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#67031: Sep 18th 2022 at 3:54:36 PM

https://twitter.com/inazumag11/status/1570669711633022976 Script differences for Frontiers.

Also yes, it's usually girls who I see interested in Sonic for Japan when looking at pixiv. Sonic usually attracts the Yumejos ((girls who self insert as Amy or Maria and want to be with Sonic and/or Shadow), or the Fujos ((girls who want to see Sonic with Shadow, Silver, or Knuckles).

PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
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#67032: Sep 18th 2022 at 3:55:27 PM

...I'm learning a lot today.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#67033: Sep 18th 2022 at 4:00:51 PM

Hmm, well the cute factor is certainly appealing to Japanese women.

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MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
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#67034: Sep 18th 2022 at 4:02:48 PM

As expected, the Japanese script looks noticeably inferior.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#67035: Sep 18th 2022 at 4:06:22 PM

That's a pretty loaded statement considering they're more or less conveying the same information.

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MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
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#67036: Sep 18th 2022 at 4:07:29 PM

What do you mean by "loaded" here?

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#67037: Sep 18th 2022 at 4:10:30 PM

What about the Japanese script makes it "clearly inferior" when its conveying the same information?

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MightyMatilda Mr. Clueless from New Jersey, USA Since: Jan, 2015
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#67038: Sep 18th 2022 at 4:13:21 PM

It's blander and in general Sonic doesn't sound like Sonic.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#67039: Sep 18th 2022 at 4:20:36 PM

What Sonic even is changes from person to person, but fair enough.

I'll probably just play the game twice with both scripts for the sake of comparison...take the piss out of certain Sonic fans who swear the which script is the "real" one.

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BorneAgain (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#67040: Sep 18th 2022 at 4:34:51 PM

Localization differences are something I'm never going to object to. Even as someone who prefers Sonic's snarkier characterization, given the efforts to make Frontiers appeal to Japanese audiences, the less quippy dialogue makes complete sense for that region.

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#67041: Sep 18th 2022 at 4:40:45 PM

The Japanese script looks a bit inferior because it gets rid of the mystery or ambiguity. However, the key Word here is looks. Who knows what Kishimoto San has in mind.

We know nothing of the story that far to judge.

Edited by Tomodachi on Sep 18th 2022 at 4:41:51 AM

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Tony-Sharx Megalodons are the best kind of furry. from ACME Nation Since: Mar, 2020
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#67042: Sep 18th 2022 at 5:17:08 PM

Hiya, longtime lurker who probably has an explanation for this. I believe it's because Kishimoto is using a different story structure that's affecting the tone of the script. That structure is called Kishotenketsu; in layman's terms it's the difference between driving the scenic route versus taking the shortest route to get from point A to point B; immersion of a subject versus short, sweet and to the point.

If the script looks inferior to you it's likely because you're more used to the principle Show, Don't Tell.

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Tomodachi Now a lurker. See you at the forums. Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: Yes, I'm alone, but I'm alone and free
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#67043: Sep 18th 2022 at 7:11:05 PM

That actually sounds interesting! Could You tell us more about the concept?

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Envyus Since: Jun, 2011
#67044: Sep 18th 2022 at 7:20:56 PM

Should note that Frontiers has been pretty well received by nearly everyone that has tried it. The people down on it have largely been people who just saw footage.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#67045: Sep 18th 2022 at 8:36:04 PM

randomness doesn't trust people who have actually played a game pre-release.

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ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#67046: Sep 18th 2022 at 8:37:48 PM

I'll give it a while, because I'm still hyperfixated on splatoon right now and there's no telling how many early patches there will be to iron things out, but I do plan on still getting it just to see how it affects the overarching myth arc of the series.

Tony-Sharx Megalodons are the best kind of furry. from ACME Nation Since: Mar, 2020
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#67047: Sep 18th 2022 at 9:55:38 PM

[up][up][up][up]Sorry if I sound like the glasses emoji, I just don't know how to link tropes to my post yet. Long ago I first learned about Kishotenketsu through this site trying to figure out why Anime and western shows were so different and after some deep diving, it kind of made sense. Kishomoto is trying to immerse the player into the game's setting versus Ian's approach with Show, Don't Tell; a cornerstone principle for western style artwork, film and writing. He's also leaning into Classic Sonic's characterization that sees him doing his own thing in spite of his missing friends.

"Classic" as in "Sega Sonic Classic" according to some of these fans at least.

Personally, I find it pretty exciting how they're converting from Ian's script. I feel there's just been this huge disconnect when it comes to Sonic/Anime fans understanding the art of writing for a piece of work versus just translating a piece of work. It's like, Sonic fans finally get to see firsthand that, no, you don't need the full-on literal deep dive into Japanese context to enjoy Sonic. Ian knows how to write an entertaining Sonic story and I think Sonic fans are gonna finally learn that.

EDIT: Are links supposed to be automatic like "Sega Sonic"? I swear I didn't misspell Kishotenketsu so I dunno why it's not linking to the actual trope page.

Edited by Tony-Sharx on Sep 18th 2022 at 9:58:04 AM

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#67048: Sep 18th 2022 at 10:05:37 PM

Correct. If you have two words together like Two Words(for instance) with no space, it automatically creates a link to a page. It's a common thing that happens for many who don't realize how the wiki's link designs work.

Anyway, I know I'll pick up Frontiers down the line, but it's probably not a high priority for me(like it used to be). Last game I pre-ordered was Unleashed, and I felt underwhelmed by it immensely, which makes me going for used a lot more satisfying. I rarely pre-ordered Sonic games compared to Mario ones at the time, or Zelda ones, so, I guess I just got bad luck in the way I like to play. It happens~

Shadow?
Envyus Since: Jun, 2011
#67049: Sep 18th 2022 at 11:45:55 PM

15 minutes of gameplay, with good sound quality, but not the best visual quality.

Edited by Envyus on Sep 18th 2022 at 12:46:26 PM

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#67050: Sep 19th 2022 at 3:18:14 AM

Random thought: I kind of want to see Dan Southworth voice Silver or Charmy just to see if he could pull it off.


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