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Numbuh1234 Since: Apr, 2014
#66676: Sep 8th 2022 at 11:10:22 PM

Another thing that helped out with SA 2's repeated stage assets is the fact that it's rare for characters to have the same level theme more than once, meaning that even when you're going through three "Eggman desert base" stages in a row, it doesn't feel like you're just running through the same level thrice over.

The only time the same character plays through the same stage theme multiple times is Eggman (Lost Colony and Cosmic Wall), and Sonic (Crazy Gadget and Final Rush), and in both cases they made sure the levels remained pretty distinct from each other despite that.

KuroBaraHime ☆♥☆ Since: Jan, 2011
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#66677: Sep 8th 2022 at 11:20:38 PM

I was never bothered by SA2's asset reuse because I never even thought of it that way. I always compared it to SA1 where the almost every non-Sonic stage were literally just part of Sonic's. Not to mention Heroes, where every team has the exact same stages, just slightly altered. By that measure, every stage in SA2 in completely unique, even if they reuse visual assets. And every similar-looking stage is in the same area story-wise, it's not like the characters go to two totally different places that both look the exact same.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#66678: Sep 8th 2022 at 11:25:46 PM

[up][up]Inside the Ark and Outside the Ark are pretty hard to simply reuse assets for 2 separate characters...

But since you brought it up, they both go inside the ark and outside the ark with the reused assets for their respective levels.

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powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#66679: Sep 9th 2022 at 7:28:03 AM

So, uh, happy birthday to the International version of Sonic Adventure.

AAAAUUUUGGGHHHH!!!!
Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#66680: Sep 9th 2022 at 7:43:54 AM

Holy crap, it has been 23 years since 9/9/99.

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#66681: Sep 9th 2022 at 7:51:15 AM

Rockin. I might boot up my copy and fire up the Dreamcast DLC mod that's closest to it. I've got mods on PC for that, highly suggest y'all do the same.

Are explosions science?
FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#66682: Sep 9th 2022 at 11:12:57 AM

If its on PSN I might crack on Sonic Adventure as well

I remember going to Blockbuster every weekend just to pick that game up. Good times.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#66683: Sep 9th 2022 at 11:19:48 AM

If your PC can run it, I recommend that as you can mod it so that it doesn't look or play like ass.

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darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#66684: Sep 9th 2022 at 11:50:44 AM

So glad Cyber Shell's video on the topic and Better Sadx in general opened peoples eyes. The gamecube version isn't just a port, it's a death by a thousand cuts mess that cobbles together assets.

KuroBaraHime ☆♥☆ Since: Jan, 2011
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#66685: Sep 9th 2022 at 2:33:07 PM

Random controversial opinion: Amy has the next best gameplay and levels in SA1 after Sonic himself.

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#66686: Sep 9th 2022 at 2:50:40 PM

FOFD: I believe SA 1 is still on PS 3.

But I’d recommend getting the Steam version and modding it as you can enable widescreen and restoring the visuals back to how they looked on Dreamcast.

I’m probably gonna boot the game up on my Xbox One X.

AAAAUUUUGGGHHHH!!!!
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#66687: Sep 9th 2022 at 2:59:33 PM

Yeah. I feel the same way. Plus its not just visual fixes, the PC mods I've seen are a sight to behold sometimes. I've seen Trans Fem Sonic done for a lot of games and I'm hoping SA 1 and 2 arne't far behind.

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darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#66688: Sep 9th 2022 at 3:00:17 PM

If Amy's speed cap weren't so severe, and she had a few more levels that really leaned into baby's first horror missions, it could've been a really great side part. I feel like Hot Shelter being made for her really showed what they could do.

The tight hallways, having to put together little puzzles and open doors before Zero got you, or just the cool setpieces like the TV screens blowing up.

I like the idea that she's like a Luigi to Sonic's Mario. Kind of a floaty, slower run that gradually speeds up with more momentum until you can hammer bounce to huge heights.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#66689: Sep 9th 2022 at 3:08:20 PM

I FINALLY figured out why Ian Flynn's interpretations of Shadow felt a little off to me.

Because he writes Shadow as much more emotional than he usually is.

And I know this because I have consumed far too much Japanese media for what is healthy, and understand how ST interprets Shadow from Western audiences.

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#66690: Sep 9th 2022 at 3:29:18 PM

That's the gist of it, yeah. Shadow is too much of a Japanese character for a Western writer to fully grasp due to Values Dissonance.

God, I hated sounding like a fucking weeb in that previous sentence.

Edited by Tomodachi on Sep 9th 2022 at 3:36:29 AM

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#66691: Sep 9th 2022 at 3:37:21 PM

That's what makes the Boom version of Shadow so amusing to me. A lot of the hardcore fandom dislike this version of him because he's essentially a parody, but he's really a parody of the more shallow (occasionally American) interpretation of him; the edginess, the quick to anger mentality, the antipathy towards Sonic, etc. Its taking that concept to the eventual endpoint of characterization and showcases how silly it ends up being.

Negacube Since: Nov, 2018 Relationship Status: Healthy, deeply-felt respect for this here Shotgun
#66692: Sep 9th 2022 at 3:37:35 PM

I don't really follow. What about Shadow's "stays stoic to cover up his trauma" thing is inherently Japanese? I can definitely see the contrasts between Flynn's more emotional take on Shadow and everyone else's, but how much can be attributed to culture clash and how much can be attributed to Flynn's personal style?

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#66693: Sep 9th 2022 at 3:43:32 PM

His trauma doesn't actually matter to this current iteration...

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#66694: Sep 9th 2022 at 3:43:49 PM

[up][up]Because as [up][up][up] said, that's basically how a lot Western writers interpret Shadow.

Not that its inherently a bad thing mind you, but it does explain why Shadow suddenly becomes much more angry and loud when under a Western pen.

I don't think people hate the Show's version of Shadow because he only shows up twice and its so over the top, you cannot take him seriously.

And yes, I hate how much I sound like a weab right now. Pleade don't make me any more self conscious than I already am...

Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on Sep 9th 2022 at 6:45:40 AM

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#66695: Sep 9th 2022 at 3:46:39 PM

We clearly have't seen the same fans.

Best wishes, a Boom fan.

Edit: I don't know how to properly explain it. Shadow is clearly a shonen character, a rival, which of course originates in Japan. Western media doesn't really have a similar archetype (or didn't? Dunno). The closest we got in the West I could think of are Batman (who is absolutely stoic and holds his emotions in check) and Punisher (who has a nonsense attitude while being a cold killer), and even then, Batman saying cocky one liners like Shadow is out of place, you expect that more out of his sidekick. Maybe I'm wrong, who knows.

Edited by Tomodachi on Sep 9th 2022 at 3:52:09 AM

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#66696: Sep 9th 2022 at 3:50:59 PM

The version people hate is the game version I've noticed.

[up]Batman is like the closest. But since Shadow is obviously more Vegeta than anything, that's what people associate him with.

And let's be real, Batman has his violent moments. Never the forget The Dark Knight Returns.

Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on Sep 9th 2022 at 6:53:05 AM

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#66697: Sep 9th 2022 at 3:52:02 PM

It is kind of weird that Sonic 06 probably has one of the best written versions of Shadow. No angst about his past, no forced rivalry with Sonic, doesn't at all entertain Mephiles's offer of an alliance... Guarded, but he is willing to let his emotions show a little bit to Rouge and Omega.

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#66699: Sep 9th 2022 at 3:53:41 PM

[up][up] Eh, folks have used the show version to say how modern Shadow is OOC (even though they are using two different interpretations), so nope, Boom Shadow in general.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#66700: Sep 9th 2022 at 3:55:08 PM

[up][up][up] The funny thing is, he absolutely does still have his rivalry with Sonic in 06 lol.

If you listen to the Japanese dub, there's a sense of reluctantance for Sonic wanting to work with Shadow. And that's from Sonic.

There's also things like lightly teasing each other about how slow the other is.

Western writers just turn it into a pissing contest between the two when it's more of a light competition between them.

[up]Well screw those people.

But you know who can elaborate here? Our resident Japanese connoisseur, Kuro Bara Hime.

Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on Sep 9th 2022 at 6:57:49 AM

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