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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#66451: Aug 30th 2022 at 9:37:10 PM

Hrm.

I feel like I've been here with you too. You say something implicitly nasty, make some kind of off color implication (no pun intended) or import an opinion from some negative forum you've been to, people turn out to not agree with you about it, and then when they call you out on it and it becomes a debate its a lot either goalpost moving of "I don't know what you're talking about," or "I didn't say it, those wacky fans amirite" or "why are you ganging up on me?" (or in this case, both).

And it's only ever on this thread, too. You're fine everywhere else, which is why I usually let it go. But it also feels like we're always getting arguments and negativity in here as a result of you doing this, and like... come on dude. The posts are right there.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Aug 30th 2022 at 9:42:24 AM

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#66452: Aug 30th 2022 at 9:38:31 PM

I can only speak to personal experience given that I've kept myself divorced from the fantasy as much as humanly possible. I liked Colors when it came out. It was fun. Still is. The writing was bad, but that was easy to ignore. My opinion on the game hasn't aged well over time, but that initial reception was positive. For reference, by that point, the only Sonic games I actively disliked were '06 and Unleashed. My opinion on Unleashed has even migrated to mixed over time.

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#66453: Aug 30th 2022 at 9:42:32 PM

I feel confused too.

Honestly, stop You two. I think I can trust Geek Critique when he could offer some historical context about Colors.

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#66454: Aug 30th 2022 at 9:46:10 PM

[up][up][up]...That's...not my intention? And I'm sorry if you or anyone else has been feeling that way. Like...I can only talk about my own experiences, and yea, not every experience I've had with Sonic has been a positive one unfortunately.

But me bringing that up isn't meant to be some type of dig at people or anything, I'm just literally talking about things I've experienced is all. I do this in every other thread and aside from one recent incident where I acknowledge I went out of line, I haven't really experienced much pushback.

Like if me bringing up experiences I've had in the past bothers you and others, I'll stop. But I feel like it's a bit weird to discredit my opinion on the basis of it not aligning with the popular one.

Like...this is literally just how I speak...

Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on Aug 30th 2022 at 12:47:04 PM

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#66455: Aug 30th 2022 at 9:50:40 PM

Honestly, stop You two.

Done. Sorry guys, I just lost my patience there for a second.

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#66457: Aug 30th 2022 at 10:32:55 PM

You both are fine, it's just that the discussions was going nowhere. I feel Geek could shine lights to the topic better because he collects info from old posts from the fandom.

Regardless, Flynn stated that Sonic Origins overwrites the canon of the original games. There arent huge changed, but i'm sure someone will nitpick.

For some reason, Sonic Spinball is canon too. What does this mean? Not even he knows.

To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.
Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#66458: Aug 30th 2022 at 10:55:54 PM

It means Sally Acorn, Bunnie and Rotor are canon

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#66459: Aug 30th 2022 at 10:57:06 PM

What about Tangle and Whisper?

ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#66460: Aug 31st 2022 at 3:54:17 AM

[up][up][up]The only canon that really changes is that Amy had her hammer before Sonic Adventure, which, uh... Okay sure.

Nothing really changes all too much by virtue of most of what was added being stuff that was said in supplementary materials already, like Amy's Tarot cards.

The real loss was Sonic Boom. Toot Toot just isn't as catchy, fight me.

FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#66461: Aug 31st 2022 at 4:51:54 AM

Regardless, Flynn stated that Sonic Origins overwrites the canon of the original games. There arent huge changed, but i'm sure someone will nitpick

...if the only significant change is Amy having a hammer than Flynn's statement is weird.

My only bug with Sonic Origins is the same problem everyone else has with the soundtrack.

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#66462: Aug 31st 2022 at 4:55:31 AM

I have a few problems with Origins myself but they could be me problems and I have tried to mod them out to the best of my ability

...still pissed the unused super sonic theme got used for a results screen nobody's ever gonna see tho

Are explosions science?
lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#66463: Aug 31st 2022 at 5:53:57 AM

Didn't Classic Amy have her hammer in Fighters?

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#66464: Aug 31st 2022 at 6:02:57 AM

Yeah she did.

Are explosions science?
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#66465: Aug 31st 2022 at 6:26:55 AM

It the was the first time she had it actually.

Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on Aug 31st 2022 at 9:27:15 AM

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ElementX Since: Jan, 2001
#66466: Aug 31st 2022 at 6:33:14 AM

[up] I think that’s where her hammer originated actually. (Edit: ninja’d)

Ngl the stuff I’ve been seeing from Frontiers lately seems a lot more promising than I expected. Also, even tho the memory angle is definitely excuse to reuse assets and level layouts it seems like it’s something the devs aren’t trying to hide. Like Sky Sanctuary has Chemical Plant enemies and Dragon Road’s layout.

But I’m hoping not every level theme is ripped straight from Gens.

Edited by ElementX on Aug 31st 2022 at 9:33:48 AM

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#66467: Aug 31st 2022 at 7:06:19 AM

Well sadly if Iizuka says its deliberate then there's not much hope.

Green Hill could have the layout of bloody Titanic Monarch and Route 99's enemies and I'd still be sick of the sight of Green Hill.

Are explosions science?
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#66468: Aug 31st 2022 at 8:17:30 AM

I think the Origins version of Sonic and Tails’ first meeting is different from how we previously saw it in the games too (I think in SA 1?).

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#66469: Aug 31st 2022 at 8:33:20 AM

Its different from the manual's backstory.

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#66471: Aug 31st 2022 at 8:51:12 AM

Wow, what a niche reference. the game wasn't great but i'm a huge fan of sega acknowledging weird sonic properties/forms like that

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#66472: Aug 31st 2022 at 8:58:34 AM

[up][up][up]It does sorta lineup with the Japanese STH 2 manual at least.

Are explosions science?
Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#66473: Aug 31st 2022 at 9:07:23 AM

Yeah, basically standarizes the manual backstories, in case it wasn't clear that the American ones were disregarded in 1998.

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#66474: Aug 31st 2022 at 9:16:58 AM

The only story that I find downrifht inferior to the original is Sonic 2 story. Everything else, it's fine.

To win, you need to adapt, and to adapt, you need to be able to laugh away all the restraints. Everything holding you back.
NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#66475: Aug 31st 2022 at 9:19:40 AM

But Tails being the one who comes up with the spin dash is good lore!!!!


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