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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#66201: Aug 18th 2022 at 3:11:22 PM

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Dammit! Knuckles! Why would you trust Eggman again!?

I mean, his logic was sound, and he did offer cake!

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#66202: Aug 18th 2022 at 3:12:18 PM

Its funny, because that trope hasn't actually happened in a while. So yea, I can imagine if it did, people would lose it lol.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#66204: Aug 18th 2022 at 3:24:47 PM

I mean, Knuckles has regressed to what he was at the beggining of Sonic Adventure.

And, Shadow playing like Sonic is kinda what he is meant to do? Just give him different upgrades if you really want Divergent Character Evolution, but, this isn't Sonic Battle where everybody having vastly different movesets was a feature to give Emerl diversity.

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#66205: Aug 18th 2022 at 3:27:59 PM

I mean, Knuckles has regressed to what he was at the beggining of Sonic Adventure.

This is a good thing depending on who you ask.

And, Shadow playing like Sonic is kinda what he is meant to do? Just give him different upgrades if you really want Divergent Character Evolution, but, this isn't Sonic Battle where everybody having vastly different movesets was a feature to give Emerl diversity.

I don't mind him playing like Sonic, but he at least needs to use Chaos Control more as part of his moveset. It's his Signature Move, and one of his defining traits. Its like Tails who can't fly.

Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on Aug 18th 2022 at 6:29:00 AM

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#66206: Aug 18th 2022 at 3:31:21 PM

Chaos Snap as a Homing Attack.

And, disregarding character development wasn't really that good, but, yeah, Knuckles is guardian guy, Shadow is edgy guy. That's all there is to them, otherwise you get Penders or people stop paying attention to Sonic. Or something like that I guess.

Edited by Eriorguez on Aug 18th 2022 at 12:31:35 PM

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#66207: Aug 18th 2022 at 3:44:46 PM

Look, if Crash 4 can have a time slowing mechanic, so can Sonic. Give that to Shadow.

And, disregarding character development wasn't really that good, but, yeah, Knuckles is guardian guy, Shadow is edgy guy. That's all there is to them, otherwise you get Penders or people stop paying attention to Sonic. Or something like that I guess.

You get used to it eventually and at some point, you stop caring. Apathy is awesome :)

Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on Aug 18th 2022 at 6:45:42 AM

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#66208: Aug 18th 2022 at 3:48:12 PM

Nah, it is just a coping mechanism.

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#66209: Aug 18th 2022 at 3:49:16 PM

I never said that it wasn't :)

You'll never survive in the Sonic fandom without a lot of copium.

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#66210: Aug 18th 2022 at 3:51:58 PM

Oh, of course. I just know what I like, but, not getting it doesn't really make me stop liking or wanting it. Learned helplessness is a bitch and something I actively refuse to accept in hobbies.

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#66211: Aug 18th 2022 at 3:53:58 PM

The only thing I'm kind of puzzled regarding Knuckles, is why Sega is now insistent that he should be a guardian of the Master Emerald, when they used him so casually in the 2000's, Colors DS and Lost World.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#66212: Aug 18th 2022 at 3:55:58 PM

[up][up]Would you like copium good sir, I got plenty of it...

On a serious tip; Yea, we've been down this song and dance before. Sega made a cool and interesting character with a unique trait, but is not compatible with the long-running nature of the series, so it is constant struggle between keeping the character's unique traits but utilized in a limited capacity or making them more versatile at the cost of making them less unique to fit in the uniform style of the series.

The eternal struggle.

[up]Because people wouldn't shut the fuck up about him not doing his job and how his appearances were cheapening him.

Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on Aug 18th 2022 at 6:56:36 AM

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#66213: Aug 18th 2022 at 3:57:11 PM

[up][up] Don't forget, we're getting some kind of animated prologue featuring Knuckles. So it's not like we're not getting an explanation for his presence. We got a teaser for it in the most recent Sonic Central.

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Aug 18th 2022 at 6:58:32 AM

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#66214: Aug 18th 2022 at 3:58:15 PM

My expectations are low.

He'll probably just get Worfed by the new villain and get captured to justify his presence and Sonic has to rescue him along with Tails and Amy.

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#66215: Aug 18th 2022 at 3:59:02 PM

Again, "he is now friends with Sonic and Tails, and the later has added some security upgrades to Angel Island."

Or, wasn't he supposed to be the guardian of the Chaos Emeralds as well? AKA, the things that half of the time are linked to the plot?

Oh well...

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#66216: Aug 18th 2022 at 4:02:17 PM

That latter point stopped mattering after Sonic Adventure when he only guards the Master Emerald.

I'm so numb on the Knuckles topic that I really don't care what they do with him anymore; I've argued with people who want more plots focused on his role as guardian and I've argued with people who want more focus on him as a teammate of Sonic and Tails and I just. don't. care. anymore.

Twenty years of dumb arguments has a habit of grinding down your tolerance and patience, who knew.

I'll give props to the movie though for managing to reconcile this; he's guarding the emerald along with Sonic and Tails and they all live under the same roof. So you get the Knuckles who take his job seriously as a sense of duty, but you also get to use him in dumb antics with Sonic & Tails.

Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on Aug 18th 2022 at 7:03:02 AM

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#66217: Aug 18th 2022 at 4:03:09 PM

Just go with the flow, it works well.

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#66218: Aug 18th 2022 at 4:05:13 PM

That's the copium route.

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#66219: Aug 18th 2022 at 4:06:42 PM

Well, the IDW annual which just came out at least comments on it, even if wouldn't count as enough to justify it.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#66220: Aug 18th 2022 at 4:08:01 PM

The hilarious part about that annual is how Blaze is in a much better position lol. Blaze keeps her emeralds on her person and she can use them to travel back and forth as she pleases.

Knuckles wishes he had it that good.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#66221: Aug 18th 2022 at 4:12:24 PM

Well, that probably goes more in line with how the Sol Emeralds work, and how Blaze is more orderly than Sonic.

I think we've discussed it before, but he'd never deliberately hold onto the Emeralds due to his whole FREEDOM schtick. Plus they are Chaos Emeralds.

Blaze on the other hand, is the direct guardian of the Sol Emeralds, which seem to be more orderly by nature, so they probably instinctively stay close to her.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#66222: Aug 18th 2022 at 4:14:49 PM

Nobody has ever really considered the implications of that have they. So Blaze can essentially go Super anytime she feels like it. I feel like something is a huge case of Story-Breaker Power.

Like, there's a reason the Chaos Emeralds are only ever used at the end of a major story arc.

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#66223: Aug 18th 2022 at 4:15:30 PM

Yeah, I don't even think the Chaos Emeralds can be held onto for long. They seem to autonomously scatter themselves every time a crisis is averted with them.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#66224: Aug 18th 2022 at 4:19:54 PM

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I suspect Blaze only uses them when facing a threat that require that level of power.

And considering the Emeralds seem to have a will of their own, they probably trust her not to misuse their power.

Edit: You're not wrong though. I mean, they had to make sure to create a reason to not throw Blaze right at Metal Sonic in the earlier arc because ideally, she could beat his ass, or at least fight him equally if he went super.

Edited by HandsomeRob on Aug 18th 2022 at 4:21:13 AM

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#66225: Aug 18th 2022 at 4:22:45 PM

Yea, it's a can of worms.

I bet you if it was Sega, they would have just nerfed the Sol Emeralds and said some shit how they're not as powerful as the Chaos Emeralds.

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