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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#66101: Aug 11th 2022 at 9:50:39 PM

Sonic and Silver can use Chaos Control, yes. However, they aren't as good with it as Shadow is, and Shadow can also do plenty of extra stuff with Chaos Energy.

At a baseline, Sonic and Shadow are a mirror match. When going all out, Shadow brings the heavy Chaos artillery, while Sonic becomes real good at running and rolling like a ball.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#66102: Aug 11th 2022 at 9:55:56 PM

As I understand it, Shadow's not quite as fast as Sonic, though short range Chaos Control probably lets him compensate.

As for the wider range of powers, you gotta be able to hit him first. Sonic's been dodging fancy lasers and shit for years.

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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#66103: Aug 11th 2022 at 10:16:02 PM

Shadow is exactly as fast as Sonic.

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#66104: Aug 12th 2022 at 12:05:37 AM

Isn't Shadow's speed due to his shoes?

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#66105: Aug 12th 2022 at 12:21:41 AM

Isn't Sonic's speed due to his shoes?

The usual answer is...no.

They just allow him to fly.

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Numbuh1234 Since: Apr, 2014
#66106: Aug 12th 2022 at 1:42:09 AM

As per E-123 Omega's analysis, Sonic and Shadow perfectly match each other in abilities during the course of Sonic Colours (DS).

However, Shadow retorts that data doesn't share everything, implying that Shadow views Sonic as a superior in ways that can't be calculated using data.

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#66107: Aug 12th 2022 at 2:20:45 AM

There is one slight exception, and that's in Sonic Battle where Shadow's top speed is slightly higher than Sonic's during the battles(they're only identical in the racing mini-game... for obvious reasons). It's not really that noticeable anyway, cause, you know, battles are high-paced usually.

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#66108: Aug 12th 2022 at 2:27:05 AM

According to Ian Flynn, Shadow's speed mainly comes from his shoes and speed isn't "natural" like Sonic's.

Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on Aug 12th 2022 at 5:27:43 AM

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#66109: Aug 12th 2022 at 4:37:13 AM

Well I do remember one time in Sonic Adventure 2 Shadow kinda went "Hey sonic I figured out who the real ultimate life form is and ITS YOU DUDE" so I figure he sees Sonic as the better guy in many ways.

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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#66110: Aug 12th 2022 at 5:00:42 AM

Yeah, Shadow's arc in Adventure 2 includes him getting to respect this random dude who is matching him blow for blow despite being "just a guy who loves adventure" rather than being created to be the Ultimate Lifeform.

Shadow respecting Sonic and getting a kick out of competing with him is IMO more enjoyable than discount surface level Vegeta.

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#66111: Aug 12th 2022 at 5:03:57 AM

I honestly think people really overstate the whole Vegeta thing because that implies he's obsessed with being better than Sonic and that really isn't the case nowadays no matter what people think.

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#66112: Aug 12th 2022 at 6:33:43 AM

It is overstated. They think "rival" and go "VEGETA!"

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#66113: Aug 12th 2022 at 6:39:10 AM

Flanderized Cell saga Vegeta; basically, needlessly aggressive, arrogant, and making things activelly worse.

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#66114: Aug 12th 2022 at 7:01:28 AM

I think it's implied that Sonic could become as adept with Chaos energy as Shadow if he cared to; His first time using Chaos Control was with a fake Emerald. He just doesn't care to.

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#66115: Aug 12th 2022 at 7:07:51 AM

[up][up][up]Yeah, people's ideas, visions and takes of characters can get really...basic. Like they can't even entertain the idea of a rival that doesn't act like one single character.

Edited by MightyKombat on Aug 12th 2022 at 3:08:08 PM

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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#66116: Aug 12th 2022 at 7:13:29 AM

[up][up] Just like Shadow could replicate the stunts Sonic pulls off if he focused on that, AFAIK. Comparable potential, same base skillset, different specialization.

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#66117: Aug 12th 2022 at 8:05:24 AM

[up][up] The funny part is that in the 2000's, parody videos essentially making Shadow into Vegeta were rampant. Now that its official, now people understand how bad that is.

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#66118: Aug 12th 2022 at 8:20:55 AM

Yeah. Guess when its the officials doing it it really puts into perspective how bad that writing is.

I could see Shadow as the more mature, composed friendly rival ala Portgas but with the air of Mace Windu about him. But also like capable of having civil conversations with the rest of the cast if they initiate.

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#66119: Aug 12th 2022 at 8:27:23 AM

He's Vergil essentially, only just slightly less obsessed with POWER.

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Numbuh1234 Since: Apr, 2014
#66120: Aug 12th 2022 at 8:37:43 AM

I really don't know what his dynamic with Sonic is post-SA 2.

In Heroes, he was amnesiac and mildly freaked out by Sonic "looking like his twin", but otherwise largely following the same rhythms.

In St H he's annoyed by Sonic to the extent that one non-canon ending has him just betray the heroes just for the sake of fighting Sonic, to then declare himself the world's most powerful hedgehog.

In Battle he's largely focused on Emerl rather than Sonic.

In 06 there's this unspoken camaraderie where they exclusively work together when they cross paths, but will occasionally throw in little words to push each other, like "Don't be late." "Same to you."

... Then he becomes Vegeta 2.0 until Forces, where he fights Infinite and then becomes as useless as the rest of Sonic's supporting cast.

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#66121: Aug 12th 2022 at 8:47:31 AM

People are just gonna keep calling him Vegeta huh.

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#66122: Aug 12th 2022 at 8:49:58 AM

Well that's what SMBZ and Sega want him to be nowadays.

I still can't believe he was the high point of 06

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#66123: Aug 12th 2022 at 8:57:26 AM

Super Mario Bros Z at least made it clear he wasn't acting like himself.

Sonic calls him out on it, and it's revealed he's acting as he is because of how Metal Sonic murdered Rouge.

Sega just got in their heads that Shadow being Vegeta is who he really is.

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#66124: Aug 12th 2022 at 8:59:26 AM

And then SMBZ ended, and so he never got to turn himself around.

And Sega just has a different idea on how Shadow should be written than the fans.

My assumption is that they want to have their cake and eat it too. They want to be able to use these characters however they want, but don't wanna put the leg work on justifying their presence.

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#66125: Aug 12th 2022 at 9:00:28 AM

Ah right yeah, SMBZ did all that. I mean I guess we gotta do Edgy in there somewhere and it'd just look weird if it was Wario being shitty like that because Mecha Cooler killed Wa Peach.

seriously that was kinda cringeworthy

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