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Numbuh1234 Since: Apr, 2014
#65826: Jul 12th 2022 at 10:30:36 PM

One crazy idea could be to have the chao serve some gameplay purpose in the regular Sonic stages ala Cheese.

idk what that purpose would be, but hey I really hate the emblems tied to Chao races/karate BECAUSE of the grind involved.

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#65827: Jul 12th 2022 at 10:40:06 PM

I liked it. It gave me something to work on between levels when I was trying to raise my ranks.

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#65828: Jul 13th 2022 at 2:06:04 AM

I played a mod for SA2 that allowed a Chao to accompany the player character into levels. Don't think there was any practical use, but it was nice flavor.

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#65829: Jul 13th 2022 at 6:38:15 AM

Ah, the Pokémon Yellow/ remake Johtto syndrome.

It's a confy feeling.

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#65831: Jul 14th 2022 at 12:52:28 PM

Hmm, sounds like a promising bit when it comes to anniversaries, but we'll see.

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#65832: Jul 14th 2022 at 4:19:43 PM

A more human side to Eggman, huh?

Well, Ted Bundy and any other evil fella in real life were also human. Like Ronald Mcdonald.

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FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#65833: Jul 14th 2022 at 4:39:55 PM

Sounds very promising. Hope it lives up to the hype.

mstorzil Crimson Helios Since: Nov, 2019
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#65834: Jul 14th 2022 at 4:51:16 PM

[up]x8 Well, good news. There is a game where the Chao actually give you some gameplay benefits. Bad news. Said game is... (Sigh) Chronicles.

Edited by mstorzil on Jul 14th 2022 at 4:51:53 AM

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#65835: Jul 14th 2022 at 4:54:48 PM

[up]Also, the chao in that game was kinda more similar to accessories randomly selected from a pool... Kinda dampens the appeal IMO.

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Numbuh1234 Since: Apr, 2014
#65836: Jul 14th 2022 at 9:52:29 PM

[up][up]Oh I already know about that game.

I resisted bringing it up because honestly I don't think that game has any true redeeming qualities.

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#65837: Jul 14th 2022 at 10:17:23 PM

Chronicles is the worst Sonic game I've ever played. We could have got something fun and charming with funny npc dialogue like paper Mario but instead we got a game with poor controls, poor plotting, and a lawsuit from the man who thinks he owns echidnas and the "floating island". Like not using Eggman, he refuses to accept angel island as the modern name.

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FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#65838: Jul 15th 2022 at 6:00:57 PM

I mean... as much crap as I'll give Eggman for turning into an ineffectual comedic villain who programs his own robots to make fun of him, and the cliche of Sonic and Eggman forming an Enemy Mine being well-worn out by that point, it is the first time he genuinely succeeds at taking over the world.

Like apparently Sonic being gone for any extensive period of time means Eggman just takes over.

Edited by FOFD on Jul 15th 2022 at 9:02:03 AM

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#65839: Jul 15th 2022 at 6:03:26 PM

[up][up]For all the game's faults, I'm not gonna blame it or any of the people who worked on it for any of the legal mess.

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WillKeaton from Alberta, Canada Since: Jun, 2010
#65840: Jul 15th 2022 at 6:06:42 PM

And for all it's problems, I can't really fault the people who worked on the game for it having issues, because the game was put out before it was done and literally still had an entire soundtrack full of placeholder music.

Edited by WillKeaton on Jul 15th 2022 at 7:08:52 AM

mstorzil Crimson Helios Since: Nov, 2019
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#65841: Jul 16th 2022 at 8:21:28 AM

It's not specifically Sonic related, but he did get the idea from hearing people's thoughts on something from Origins. Plus I just want to change the topic so we don't have to talk about Chronicles. Anyways, Pariah made a video giving his thoughts on the lives system.

Edited by mstorzil on Jul 16th 2022 at 8:21:49 AM

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#65842: Jul 17th 2022 at 3:58:24 AM

Fangame of the day: Sonic and the Fallen Star, it looks really neat with its own take on the running animations and a completely fresh soundtrack.

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Numbuh1234 Since: Apr, 2014
#65843: Jul 17th 2022 at 7:12:29 AM

[up][up]I agree, lives are awful and bad and don't belong in 90% of modern games.

Off the top of my head, the best use case for them I can think of is adding them to a roguelike as a way of making said roguelike more accessible to players (given that genre had previously died out because it's inherently such a punishing style of game, and mainly came back through mixing in with other genres)

FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#65844: Jul 17th 2022 at 12:31:51 PM

I'm fine with lives personally and don't see a genuine problem with them in retro games, but the invention of save systems was obviously an improvement. I'd rather Sonic not get rid of extra lives just to be modern. Its still part of the aesthetic that I enjoy and removing it would distance me from the franchise.

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#65845: Jul 17th 2022 at 12:38:12 PM

[up]You're a bit late then, because they were already gone in Forces.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#65846: Jul 17th 2022 at 1:04:17 PM

Lives are fine - even preferable - with games like traditional Sonic or Mario where levels, even with checkpoints, are short and made to be replayable.

It’s only in longer games with more involved levels where they really become undesirable. Otherwise, they represent a level of stakes to the challenge that games of that type tend to have to find some means of replacing if they want to maintain the substance.

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#65847: Jul 17th 2022 at 1:07:19 PM

I actually really hated having lives in Mania because a few bosses were kind of awful and dying to them to the point were you had to start the level over felt horrible.

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#65848: Jul 17th 2022 at 1:13:17 PM

The coin system is superior, and that's unexpected.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#65849: Jul 17th 2022 at 1:30:36 PM

I prefer the way Sonic CD did it where bosses were their own stages vs parts of the other stages. Combined with 3’s level select as Mania does, it would mean you could start from the boss stage rather than start everything over.

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#65850: Jul 17th 2022 at 1:43:51 PM

Coins are a net positive, so I don't see any reason to have lives.

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