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windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#65727: Jun 29th 2022 at 4:19:38 AM

[up]If you don't mind me asking, how exactly do you define "not vile"?

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#65728: Jun 29th 2022 at 4:30:36 AM

The damage he causes being a product of carelessness rather than of active destructiveness. An overgrown rotten kid who wants to get his way and doesn't think or care about the consequences, rather than "I will turn this lush landscape into an wasteland because I'm evil".

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#65729: Jun 29th 2022 at 5:05:39 AM

[up][up][up] Meaning, Eggman can be just as vile and be just fine.

Like even his worst moments are due to negligence...that just makes him look like an idiot.

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#65730: Jun 30th 2022 at 6:32:35 PM

TIL Sonic CD is an Interquel.

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#65731: Jun 30th 2022 at 6:56:00 PM

Okay, anyone remember when someone shared that video about what it'd be like if Jesse McCartney voiced Silver? I may have been struck with inspiration and did something similar with Tangle and what if she was voiced by Sarah-Nicole Robles (Luz Noceda from The Owl House) and Ashly Burch (from a lot of stuff, but I used audio clips from her role as Molly from The Ghost and Molly McGee).

Keep in mind, this is my first time doing this kind of project, so it might be rough?

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#65732: Jun 30th 2022 at 11:06:19 PM

Both seem to fit Tangle well enough. If I had to choose, I'd probably pick Robles for the role.

mstorzil Crimson Helios Since: Nov, 2019
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#65733: Jul 1st 2022 at 5:28:21 AM

Now Pariah goes over Origins' cutscenes. He mentions the awkwardness of Amy seeming like a main character in the cutscenes while she's anything but in the actual games. And I'm gonna say it again. As much crap as I give the Classic games, I would be all for a playable Amy.

Edited by mstorzil on Jul 1st 2022 at 7:27:26 AM

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TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#65734: Jul 1st 2022 at 9:54:36 AM

[up][up] OMG right? Like, I thought Ashly Burch was pretty good too, but there's something in Sarah-Nicole Robles' delivery in Luz that just clicks for someone like Tangle, you know?

My only concern would be she might be out of Sega's price range to have her as Tangle.

To be fair, they did spring for Lacey Chabert (Gwen Stacy in The Spectacular Spider-Man and Zatanna in Young Justice) as Princess Elise in 06, but I doubt Sega wants any further reminders of that game.

darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#65735: Jul 1st 2022 at 10:26:11 AM

Christine Marie Cabanos or Xanthe Huynh would be good alternatives.

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#65736: Jul 1st 2022 at 11:01:10 AM

[up][up] I'm surprised he was ok with Sonic 2 interpretation, I found Sonic 2 to be the one most prone to nitpicking (from me at least).

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#65738: Jul 1st 2022 at 7:56:43 PM

For Christine, her notable roles are Mako Makanshoku, and Chiaki Nanami

For Xanth, hers are Haru Okumura, and recently Marianne von Edmund

Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on Jul 1st 2022 at 11:02:12 AM

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fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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#65739: Jul 2nd 2022 at 2:45:18 PM

So, I found this joke video about how Sonic is kinda a insensitive jerk, especially to human women. (Yes, I'm including Shadow in that category. No, don't ask why.)

And, well, I'm starting to wonder how much of it is exaggerated because, like, I can buy Sonic acting like that in Sonic Adventure Whatever and the fact that Sonic talks about wishing her a mountain of handkerchiefs so she can cry about her dead dickhead boyfriend and handkerchiefs fall from the sky in the cutscene...

I'm seriously wondering how much of this is based on the actual game dialogue and presentation.

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FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#65740: Jul 2nd 2022 at 3:59:03 PM

...none of it? Its a comedic read of Sonic's lines.

Sonic wishing a mountain of handkerchiefs for Shahra because of her dickhead boyfriend being an act of dickery is an odd take.

Sonic's stance on life/final conversation with Merlina in Knight of the Wind is one of the better uses of his character. Instead of being the snarky freedom fighter and nothing else the dude actually has some depth to him. Its why I like the Storybook games - we see Sonic put into emotional spaces his adventures normally don't allow for.

Its pretty much the only time other than Sonic Lost World that Sonic is shown to have anything deeper to his personality beyond some Byronic Hero traits and being too cool for school.

Edited by FOFD on Jul 2nd 2022 at 7:02:21 AM

fredhot16 Don't want to leave but cannot pretend from Baton Rogue, Louisiana. Since: Jan, 2015 Relationship Status: Too sexy for my shirt
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#65741: Jul 2nd 2022 at 4:02:15 PM

[up]Then what's the context for the handkerchiefs falling from the sky?

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MorningStar1337 The Encounter that ended the Dogma from 🤔 Since: Nov, 2012
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#65742: Jul 2nd 2022 at 4:07:05 PM

[up] Its after he defeated Erazor Djinn (the dickhead boyfriend in question) and is as FOFD mentioend, Sonic wishing for hankies so that Sharla can cry about it...

Okay yeah that does seem insensitive out of context.

FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#65743: Jul 2nd 2022 at 4:11:13 PM

Well yeah that's the context. And out of it I guess its funny. Still, he's giving someone a bunch of handkerchiefs after [up] all of that.

I'm sure plenty of those handkerchiefs got really dirty wherever they landed so Sonic could have wished for a tissue box instead, or for all of the handkerchiefs to land on a table neatly and organized.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#65744: Jul 2nd 2022 at 5:40:11 PM

A mountain of handkerchiefs...

So that she can cry forever about her abusive boyfriend.

Sounds nice.

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darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#65745: Jul 2nd 2022 at 5:56:07 PM

On the other hand, he's giving her a space to vent she can use at any time without any pressure. He's not saying to use them right now, but getting a girl out of an abusive relationship is always good.

KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#65746: Jul 2nd 2022 at 6:12:20 PM

Sonic was full of cheesy heroic lines like that during that time period. I'm sure we could go back and reinterpret a lot of them as sarcasm if we really wanted to, but they definitely weren't intended that way.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#65747: Jul 2nd 2022 at 6:15:43 PM

There's been a lot discussion surrounding that lately actually.

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mstorzil Crimson Helios Since: Nov, 2019
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#65748: Jul 2nd 2022 at 8:12:37 PM

While we're on the topic of Sonic's characterization, I just want to give a quick shout out to this line right here, which is still to this day my favorite line in the series.

As a matter of fact, that whole scene in general is just great, but it's really that one line specifically that I always think of first.

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Karxrida from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#65749: Jul 2nd 2022 at 8:53:35 PM

Jon Cartwright of Good Vibes Gaming did a retrospective of The Secret Rings. While he points out the game's many flaws, he's actually a fairly forgiving of it and doesn't consider it that bad.

Edited by Karxrida on Jul 2nd 2022 at 11:04:56 AM

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#65750: Jul 2nd 2022 at 10:25:54 PM

I feel like neither of the Storybook games were bad, necessarily, but the time they came out... it was a bit like offering to buy your neighbor lunch right after you dropped trou and took a shit in the middle of their living room. Of course they weren't going to be well-received, deservedly or not.

Edited by Chortleous on Jul 2nd 2022 at 12:26:58 PM


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