https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEX5TaMJUSA&t=387s
Timestamped. All Hail Shadow starts to play afterwards.
At least when he decides to blow the planet up, or to usurp Black Doom, it kinda makes a smidge more of sense.
Edited by Eriorguez on Jun 22nd 2022 at 3:42:43 PM
You can easily make it into Cosmic Fall or Black Comet and have Eggman as the final boss without ever having met him or his robots. And he has no presence whatsoever in those levels as well, both are GUN vs the Black Arms.
Hell, there's Cryptic Castle, which is Egg Pawns vs Black Arms, which makes the Egg Pawns the enemies to beat for the Dark mission, BUT, Amy is there for the Hero mission, and Eggman is there for the Dark mission. So Eggman has you beat up his robots.
EDIT: Lemme do the math.
- Westopolis -> Digital Circuit/Glyphic Canyon/Lethal Highway -> Prison Island -> The Doom -> The Ark/Air Fleet -> Black Comet
- Westopolis -> Digital Circuit/Glyphic Canyon/Lethal Highway -> Prison Island -> Mad Matrix -> Space Gadget/Lost Impact -> Cosmic Fall
Yup, 12 paths where you fight Eggman as the final boss without ever meeting him. In 6 of those Eggman gets a chop to the head after getting beaten.
Edited by Eriorguez on Jun 22nd 2022 at 4:33:13 PM
Well, there's a lot of paths you could do that make no sense. For example, if you went
Westopolis > Digital Circuit > Cryptic Castle > Central City > Air Fleet > Lave Shelter
Shadow SOMEHOW gets it in his head that he's an Android, even though he's never encountered the Shadow Androids, nor had one of the encounters with Eggman where he taunts him that he "has no past."
The one where he kissed a human girl...
Or something like that.
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Actually, you have a mandatory encounter with Eggman in Mad Matrix, so in order to encounter Eggman without any build up you have to complete Prison Island Dark.
You also forgot the far more hilarious route where, after encountering Eggman a grand total of 0 times, and having no clue that he even died in the first place, Shadow randomly decides that he's actually been a shadow android this whole time and decides he's gotta kill Eggman.
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... Whoops ^^;
Edited by Numbuh1234 on Jun 24th 2022 at 1:49:25 AM
Well, isn't this a cool trick?
Looks like Sonic Origins lets you use the Drop Dash to cheese the time-travel mechanic in Sonic CD.
Great news for folks who always thought the time traveling in CD was busted!
Also, it looks like Michael Jackson really did help with Sonic 3's music according to Yuji Naka.
Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Jun 23rd 2022 at 8:44:59 AM
Oh yeah, my mind slipped about Mad Matrix ("The more the merrier" doesn't apply to time spent in that circuit board)... yeah, can't reach Cosmic Fall without encountering Eggman, my bad.
But, you can reach Air Fleet without having done so. So, you can have A FLASHBACK TO THE ARK, and then have Shadow decide he is an android and go fight Eggman.
Lava Shelter makes some sense if reached through Iron Jungle; you find there Shadow Androids, and Eggman tries to trick Shadow into believing he is an android in the following Egg Breaker fight. After saving the president in Air Fleet, or destroying the ARK's defenses in Space Gadget? No sense whatsoever.
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Well, it seems that my confimrations from the past 13 years are correct. But now that the musics for "Carnival Night Zone", "Ice Cap Zone" (which actually used the Jetzons song "Hard Times") and "Launch Base Zone" have been replaced in Sonic Origins, what about the end credits music for Sonic 3 (which became the basis for the MJ song "Stranger in Moscow")? Has it been replaced too or not?
Edited by Angeldeb82 on Jun 23rd 2022 at 2:17:08 PM
What helps is that Tom and Maddie are acting as fairly original and rarely utilized functions in a lot of Sonic media; that of parental figures.
Beyond the poor writing for Chris and Elise in X and 06 respectively, one of the major problems is that they were fulfilling roles in some fashion that someone in the cast was already doing. Sonic had a younger brother figure that looked up him and the series had developed quasi-romantic interests and important princesses in relation to him as well. They would be facing an uphill climb even if they hadn't been poor executed in their media.
@Angeldeb 82: Haven't played through 3&K in Origins yet, since I'm doing Story Mode as my first run through each game and I only just got to Sonic 2.
But going through the Museum's sound test, I don't see the Sonic 3 standalone credits theme in here, only the one from Sonic & Knuckles standalone and 3&K (167: "Staff Roll 1"), and an unused one (177: "Staff Roll 2") that clearly isn't the one from Sonic 3 standalone.
But I don't think we can say Origins "replaced" it, since 3&K already did so, and on the original hardware.
Yes. It just came out today, since June 23rd was the day that Sonic 1 released.
Edited by TrashJack on Jun 23rd 2022 at 8:59:27 AM
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Shadow cackles...
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