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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#65601: Jun 22nd 2022 at 6:37:10 PM

Shadow cackles...

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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#65602: Jun 22nd 2022 at 6:42:07 PM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEX5TaMJUSA&t=387s

Timestamped. All Hail Shadow starts to play afterwards.

At least when he decides to blow the planet up, or to usurp Black Doom, it kinda makes a smidge more of sense.

Edited by Eriorguez on Jun 22nd 2022 at 3:42:43 PM

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#65603: Jun 22nd 2022 at 6:57:19 PM

Isn't Eggman the villain on those routes tho?

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#65604: Jun 22nd 2022 at 7:25:45 PM

You can easily make it into Cosmic Fall or Black Comet and have Eggman as the final boss without ever having met him or his robots. And he has no presence whatsoever in those levels as well, both are GUN vs the Black Arms.

Hell, there's Cryptic Castle, which is Egg Pawns vs Black Arms, which makes the Egg Pawns the enemies to beat for the Dark mission, BUT, Amy is there for the Hero mission, and Eggman is there for the Dark mission. So Eggman has you beat up his robots.

EDIT: Lemme do the math.

  • Westopolis -> Digital Circuit/Glyphic Canyon/Lethal Highway -> Prison Island -> The Doom -> The Ark/Air Fleet -> Black Comet

  • Westopolis -> Digital Circuit/Glyphic Canyon/Lethal Highway -> Prison Island -> Mad Matrix -> Space Gadget/Lost Impact -> Cosmic Fall

Yup, 12 paths where you fight Eggman as the final boss without ever meeting him. In 6 of those Eggman gets a chop to the head after getting beaten.

Edited by Eriorguez on Jun 22nd 2022 at 4:33:13 PM

diddyknux Straw Hat Robin (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Straw Hat Robin
#65605: Jun 22nd 2022 at 8:28:21 PM

Well, there's a lot of paths you could do that make no sense. For example, if you went

Westopolis > Digital Circuit > Cryptic Castle > Central City > Air Fleet > Lave Shelter

Shadow SOMEHOW gets it in his head that he's an Android, even though he's never encountered the Shadow Androids, nor had one of the encounters with Eggman where he taunts him that he "has no past."

NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#65606: Jun 22nd 2022 at 8:29:13 PM

I can't believe this wasn't posted yet

I can't believe HISHE referenced Super Knuckles :D

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#65607: Jun 22nd 2022 at 8:33:20 PM

[up]

I believe I did post that one in the main Sonic 2 thread at least.

One Strip! One Strip!
windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#65608: Jun 23rd 2022 at 1:41:29 AM

Happy 31st Anniversary to the very first Sonic the Hedgehog game.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#65609: Jun 23rd 2022 at 1:57:24 AM

The one where he kissed a human girl...

Or something like that.

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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#65610: Jun 23rd 2022 at 3:35:19 AM

Getting into Lava Shelter from anywhere but Iron Jungle is jarring.

Numbuh1234 Since: Apr, 2014
#65611: Jun 23rd 2022 at 4:58:11 AM

[up][up][up][up][up][up][up] Actually, you have a mandatory encounter with Eggman in Mad Matrix, so in order to encounter Eggman without any build up you have to complete Prison Island Dark.

You also forgot the far more hilarious route where, after encountering Eggman a grand total of 0 times, and having no clue that he even died in the first place, Shadow randomly decides that he's actually been a shadow android this whole time and decides he's gotta kill Eggman.

[down][down] ... Whoops ^^;

Edited by Numbuh1234 on Jun 24th 2022 at 1:49:25 AM

ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#65612: Jun 23rd 2022 at 5:10:27 AM

Shadow's route system has long been known to make ZERO fucking sense whatsoever.

diddyknux Straw Hat Robin (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Straw Hat Robin
#65613: Jun 23rd 2022 at 5:23:14 AM

[up][up]...Numbah, I just said that! [tdown]

...I'm just fooling around, no big deal.

Edited by diddyknux on Jun 23rd 2022 at 7:39:28 AM

Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#65614: Jun 23rd 2022 at 5:25:04 AM

It's actually pretty difficult to account for every single possible scenario and all. That said, I wonder how many oddities exist total? Might not be actually that many, but considering you have over 300 routes, well.

Shadow?
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#65615: Jun 23rd 2022 at 5:41:08 AM

Well, isn't this a cool trick?

Looks like Sonic Origins lets you use the Drop Dash to cheese the time-travel mechanic in Sonic CD.

Great news for folks who always thought the time traveling in CD was busted! grin

Also, it looks like Michael Jackson really did help with Sonic 3's music according to Yuji Naka.

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Jun 23rd 2022 at 8:44:59 AM

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#65616: Jun 23rd 2022 at 8:27:29 AM

Oh yeah, my mind slipped about Mad Matrix ("The more the merrier" doesn't apply to time spent in that circuit board)... yeah, can't reach Cosmic Fall without encountering Eggman, my bad.

But, you can reach Air Fleet without having done so. So, you can have A FLASHBACK TO THE ARK, and then have Shadow decide he is an android and go fight Eggman.

Lava Shelter makes some sense if reached through Iron Jungle; you find there Shadow Androids, and Eggman tries to trick Shadow into believing he is an android in the following Egg Breaker fight. After saving the president in Air Fleet, or destroying the ARK's defenses in Space Gadget? No sense whatsoever.

Numbuh1234 Since: Apr, 2014
#65617: Jun 23rd 2022 at 8:50:46 AM

Space Gadget DOES open up with Shadow remembering that he died, which is consistent with his conclusion in Lava Shelter, complete with being guaranteed to encounter the doctor by that point.

Angeldeb82 Since: Dec, 2010
#65618: Jun 23rd 2022 at 11:16:44 AM

[up][up][up] Well, it seems that my confimrations from the past 13 years are correct. But now that the musics for "Carnival Night Zone", "Ice Cap Zone" (which actually used the Jetzons song "Hard Times") and "Launch Base Zone" have been replaced in Sonic Origins, what about the end credits music for Sonic 3 (which became the basis for the MJ song "Stranger in Moscow")? Has it been replaced too or not? sad

Edited by Angeldeb82 on Jun 23rd 2022 at 2:17:08 PM

Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#65619: Jun 23rd 2022 at 11:20:59 AM

We have the complete Sonic 3, so no credits until after Sky Sanctuary at least.

FOFD Since: Apr, 2013
#65620: Jun 23rd 2022 at 4:27:23 PM

I am still wowed that I enjoyed Tom and Maddie as Sonic's parents/allies more than just about any other human in this franchise.

BorneAgain (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#65621: Jun 23rd 2022 at 5:21:36 PM

What helps is that Tom and Maddie are acting as fairly original and rarely utilized functions in a lot of Sonic media; that of parental figures.

Beyond the poor writing for Chris and Elise in X and 06 respectively, one of the major problems is that they were fulfilling roles in some fashion that someone in the cast was already doing. Sonic had a younger brother figure that looked up him and the series had developed quasi-romantic interests and important princesses in relation to him as well. They would be facing an uphill climb even if they hadn't been poor executed in their media.

TrashJack Confirmed Doomer from beyond the Despair Event Horizon (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
Confirmed Doomer
#65622: Jun 23rd 2022 at 5:55:16 PM

@Angeldeb 82: Haven't played through 3&K in Origins yet, since I'm doing Story Mode as my first run through each game and I only just got to Sonic 2.

But going through the Museum's sound test, I don't see the Sonic 3 standalone credits theme in here, only the one from Sonic & Knuckles standalone and 3&K (167: "Staff Roll 1"), and an unused one (177: "Staff Roll 2") that clearly isn't the one from Sonic 3 standalone.

But I don't think we can say Origins "replaced" it, since 3&K already did so, and on the original hardware.

[down] Yes. It just came out today, since June 23rd was the day that Sonic 1 released.

Edited by TrashJack on Jun 23rd 2022 at 8:59:27 AM

"Cynic, n. — A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be." - The Devil's Dictionary
PhysicalStamina i'm tired, my friend (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
i'm tired, my friend
#65623: Jun 23rd 2022 at 5:58:00 PM

Wait, is it out already?

i'm tired, my friend
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#65624: Jun 23rd 2022 at 6:32:55 PM

Yea, Origins is out today on all platforms.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
BorneAgain (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#65625: Jun 23rd 2022 at 6:42:00 PM

I think I'll wait for a physical Switch version as far as Origins goes. If there is any non-cosmetic DLC it'll be on it, and if I get the itch to play something like it before then, there are and will be enough PC fan games to fulfill the need.


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