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AngrokVa indighost from america, unfortunately Since: Feb, 2012 Relationship Status: Saddled with unnecessary feelings
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#65551: Jun 21st 2022 at 7:59:45 PM

[up][up][up] Oh don't be so dramatic, Faded Hills was a thing and no one was saying the same thing you are now.

Oh and let's not forget Sonic 4's music either. [lol]

Edited by AngrokVa on Jun 21st 2022 at 11:04:53 AM

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#65552: Jun 21st 2022 at 9:36:47 PM

I don't think y'all understand that this isn't just some mediocre Sonic game that nobody gives a fuck about.

This is Sonic 3, the Magnum Opus of the series. A game where even the most contrarian of Sonic fans agree deserves its rep as the best game.

....And they fucked up the music.

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lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#65553: Jun 21st 2022 at 9:42:19 PM

Isn't that more for Sonic 3 and Knuckles than Sonic 3 alone?

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#65554: Jun 21st 2022 at 9:44:51 PM

Yeah, it's the combo game.

That said, the gameplay matters to me way more. As well as how fun it is. So while it sucks, not the biggest deal in the world to me.

Shadow?
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#65555: Jun 21st 2022 at 9:46:34 PM

I just use Sonic 3 for short, and the all track changes are in the Sonic 3 portion anyway.

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Irene (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Crazy Cat Lady
#65556: Jun 21st 2022 at 9:51:11 PM

Regardless, it's only one part of the game. Classic Amy being essentially teased hard to us, coupled with a horrid pricing deal, and the music not all being great? It's not exactly the best way to do it. Albeit, licensing is a thing, and just because money talks doesn't mean people will say yes to licensing all the time. There's probably some reason why we didn't get the original music. Could it be laziness? Sure. But if licensing is a huge amount of money for the song, that's also a turn-off. Business are trying to make actual money with products, so they have to keep to a budget to make sure they get money back.

I'm more interested in why they couldn't actually get all the better songs in. But it's still the least important part to me overall of it. With Classic Amy being pointlessly teased just slightly above, because she'd actually be interesting to finally see use again.

Shadow?
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#65557: Jun 21st 2022 at 10:27:00 PM

I wasn't really interested in buying the game, but since it's all anyone could talk about I figured I'd check out the music.

I'm legitimately a bit confused. For all the doomsaying I've been hearing I was expecting the tracks to actually be poor, but the worst I can say about them is that the soundfonts are off and on occasion they sound more akin to the musical variety of something like the Master System.

But the Master System sound was still fine (just not as robust as the Megadrive), and these replacement tracks aren't badly made music-wise or anything - just simple on occasion. They definitely don't deserve the comparison to Chronicles. You could pick far worse across Sonic's music library than these five tracks.

I'm especially digging the Carnival Night replacement.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Jun 21st 2022 at 10:28:45 AM

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#65558: Jun 21st 2022 at 11:03:40 PM

Act 2 or Act 1 or both?

Act 1 is the only one most people are complaining about.

Even people who liked the original version of it.

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darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#65559: Jun 22nd 2022 at 12:00:31 AM

Original for comparison's sake.

Edited by darkabomination on Jun 22nd 2022 at 12:02:03 PM

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#65560: Jun 22nd 2022 at 12:01:04 AM

Error...

[up]Excellent...

Edited by randomness4 on Jun 22nd 2022 at 3:07:31 PM

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#65561: Jun 22nd 2022 at 12:08:35 AM

Yea, Act 1 of Carnival Night is the one people take the most issue with

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VapourSoulOS Herald of Lunar Tierce from You really expect me to know that? Since: Jun, 2017 Relationship Status: Abstaining
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#65562: Jun 22nd 2022 at 1:40:07 AM

I don't have much issue with the Carnival Night Zone tracks but my god the Ice Cap Zone tracks replacing the originals sound utterly horrible. The upbeat atmosphere doesn't really fit the area at all.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#65563: Jun 22nd 2022 at 1:54:39 AM

It's a fine track (the original)...

Randomness would say it fits in the Advance games Ice Levels...

But youtube commenter compared it to Ristar, which is pretty fair.

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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#65564: Jun 22nd 2022 at 5:39:12 AM
Thumped: This post has been thumped with the mod stick. This means knock it off.
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#65565: Jun 22nd 2022 at 5:41:17 AM
Thumped: Wow. That was rude. Too many of this kind of thump will bring a suspension. Please keep it civil.
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NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#65566: Jun 22nd 2022 at 5:56:01 AM

[up][up]

"LOL these songs suck"

"You're being overdramatic!!!!!!!!!!"

Also how do you not see the irony?

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#65567: Jun 22nd 2022 at 6:09:13 AM

I didn't say they sucked, I said they messed them up. The language and tone is completely different.

Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on Jun 22nd 2022 at 9:09:30 AM

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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#65568: Jun 22nd 2022 at 6:13:19 AM

I mean, we already were expecting the prototype/PC compilation themes for a while, because, again, the first re-release in 1997 already had that approach. What else is to expect? The original music has rights issues, the prototype themes were agreed upon to be inferior anyway, this has been expected to happen for a while, this had already happened 25 years ago.

It doesn't really tarnish the game. What were you expecting, to Jun Senoue to revisit some "meh" themes he worked on almost 30 years ago and make them good while emulating software/hardware limitations? That would have been dope, ngl, but, let's be honest, it'd feel inferior ANYWAY.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#65569: Jun 22nd 2022 at 6:14:48 AM

Randomness would say it fits in the Advance games Ice Levels...

Speaking of the Advance games, a collections of those might be something they'll think about depending on how Sonic Origins performs.

Edited by TargetmasterJoe on Jun 22nd 2022 at 9:39:48 AM

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#65570: Jun 22nd 2022 at 6:16:46 AM

Just like they thought about remaking the Adventure games I bet.

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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#65571: Jun 22nd 2022 at 6:20:33 AM

Iizuka said in interviews that Adventure remakes wouldn't really be on the table; one sec lemme find it.

EDIT: https://www.videogameschronicle.com/features/interviews/sonic-frontiers-interview-fans-dont-yet-understand-what-this-new-gameplay-is/

Edited by Eriorguez on Jun 22nd 2022 at 3:23:34 PM

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#65572: Jun 22nd 2022 at 7:18:32 AM

The only disagreement I have with your statement Enio, is that Tv Tropes is chill, most of the complains come from Twitter. And yeah, Iizuka is not interested in remaking Adventure.

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Eriorguez Since: Jun, 2009
#65573: Jun 22nd 2022 at 7:25:50 AM

I mean, Twitter is toxic for fandom discourse of any kind (or hell, for most things), and one ought to curate their experience.

TV Tropes in general has this tendency to go "ruined forever". Just because it isn't as extreme as Twitter, doesn't make it level-headed on a vaccuum.

Edited by Eriorguez on Jun 22nd 2022 at 4:26:49 PM

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#65574: Jun 22nd 2022 at 7:34:29 AM

Do you consider any type of criticism as "overreacting" because that's what it sounds like.

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Negacube Since: Nov, 2018 Relationship Status: Healthy, deeply-felt respect for this here Shotgun
#65575: Jun 22nd 2022 at 8:20:13 AM

There's plenty of other things to criticize.

  • Scummy price tag
  • Denuvo
  • No save state function
  • Widescreen limited to Anniversary mode
  • Paywalled hard mode
  • Unimpressive extras
I can tell Origins is made for casuals with money to burn rather than Trve Kvlt Fans, but that's not much of an excuse for what we're getting. Emulation wins again.

Edited by Negacube on Jun 22nd 2022 at 11:27:39 AM


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