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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
Ghost '11
#45601: Nov 5th 2019 at 1:19:09 AM

"Reasonable"

Tails isn't a coward in Mania. If you want to call one instance of being startled by lightning cowardice, that's no one else's problem.

Edited by randomness4 on Nov 5th 2019 at 1:21:48 AM

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Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#45602: Nov 5th 2019 at 3:47:15 AM

Mania isn't perfect. I'd give it a 7.5-8/10, personally, depending on how I'm feeling. The level design isn't as tight as the Genesis titles, and the later levels feel like the team overindulged a bit. However, the game was a breath of fresh air. It scratched an itch I hadn't had scratched since Rush 2. It was also clearly made by people that loved the series.

It's hard to entertain the idea that a dev team doesn't deserve to succeed or that people that buy the game don't deserve to enjoy it. They put their time into it and I'm sure the project took its pound of flesh from the crew like any other dev team working in any other game. On the other end, fandoms are fickle and vocal fans tend to be far more extreme in their opinions that the actual majority of people.

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#45603: Nov 5th 2019 at 4:02:49 AM

[up][up][up] Ok, I'm gonna be straight with you, you got a serious case of Opinion Myopia going on. I don't think you comprehend that people are allowed to like things that you don't like. And your words about Mania are coming off as vindictive and spiteful simply because it's not your preference for Sonic, rather than any actual critique about the game itself. You simply hate it on principal. That might be why your entries on the wiki are being deleted.

If people liking something that you don't like bothers you that much, then I think you need to do a little self reflection.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
JadedStreak2 Since: Feb, 2019
#45604: Nov 5th 2019 at 4:16:38 AM

Look, you're really not paying attention to what I just explained in the last post. The reason why I snapped was because people - including several of you - were bashing me for having a different opinion. You in particular have been doing it for some time, so the fact that you're calling me out for it is just incredibly hypocritical

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#45605: Nov 5th 2019 at 4:34:49 AM

[up]people calling you a troll because you have an unpopular opinion was wrong, but beyond that, the problem is that you haven't been particularly good at substantiating your opinion and most of your criticisms are hard to really engage with because the recurring backbeat behind them is "I don't like Genesis era Sonic" . It's fine to feel that way of course but it's not something that really can be discussed because it's purely a question of personal taste. Finally, no offense, but you kinda come off as needlessly bitter that something you didn't enjoy is being well received, which is just petty and kinda pointless.

Edited by Draghinazzo on Nov 5th 2019 at 8:37:26 AM

JadedStreak2 Since: Feb, 2019
#45606: Nov 5th 2019 at 4:35:38 AM

Well, I guess you're right...

PhysicalStamina ain't nothin' but a party y'all (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
ain't nothin' but a party y'all
#45607: Nov 5th 2019 at 4:45:55 AM

We have been critiquing you because your thesis was 1) poorly explained, 2) founded more on a dislike of Classic Sonic (which is fine in itself, preferences are preferences) and resentment of the game's success than anything to do with the game itself, and 3) because what little complaints about the actual game you had were either relatively minor or deliberate stylistic choices.

Again, there have been others who disliked Mania, who were able to give solid, understandable reasons why. And because of that, few people have given them a hard time over it. Just because it's an opinion doesn't mean no one is allowed to challenge it. If you express an opinion, people are naturally going to ask why you feel that way, meaning you'd better be damn ready to explain your opinion. If you can't understand that, you are going to have a very hard time going through life.

Now, you can either accept the above and do some serious thinking and consequent growth, or you can just stop putting opinions on the internet. And if the latter sounds unreasonable to you, that only leaves you with one option...

Or just listen to people who have said all the above better than I could. [nja]

Edited by PhysicalStamina on Nov 5th 2019 at 8:07:02 AM

Do not spare the feelings of those who would not spare yours.
JadedStreak2 Since: Feb, 2019
#45608: Nov 5th 2019 at 5:08:57 AM
Thumped: for switching the discussion from the topic to a person. Doesn't take many of this kind of thump to bring a suspension. Stay on the topic, not the people in the discussion.
Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#45609: Nov 5th 2019 at 5:12:40 AM

[up]I mean, no offense, but you have mostly posted in this thread to complain so maybe that's not a great accusation to toss around. If you're going to make this personal maybe you should just stop and chill a bit.

Edited by Draghinazzo on Nov 5th 2019 at 9:13:42 AM

PhysicalStamina ain't nothin' but a party y'all (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
ain't nothin' but a party y'all
#45610: Nov 5th 2019 at 5:33:25 AM

[up][up]Wow, that is some hardcore projection. Not to mention you clearly didn't read my post if that's all you took from it.

Edited by PhysicalStamina on Nov 5th 2019 at 8:39:17 AM

Do not spare the feelings of those who would not spare yours.
JadedStreak2 Since: Feb, 2019
#45611: Nov 5th 2019 at 5:38:30 AM

[up][up]Yeah, I was just sick of him continuing to attack me for having an opinion. Of course, I probably will chill now.

PhysicalStamina ain't nothin' but a party y'all (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Coming soon to theaters
ain't nothin' but a party y'all
#45613: Nov 5th 2019 at 10:11:36 AM

[up][up]That wasn't happening.

Do not spare the feelings of those who would not spare yours.
STRX Since: Jul, 2013
#45614: Nov 5th 2019 at 5:52:03 PM

Hey speaking of opinions, a bunch of Team Sonic Racing videos kept popping up in my feeds and a lot people genuinely want a sequel.

Any past Sonic stages/ideas you'd guys want for Courses? I'd love to see Forces' City, Prison Island, some other Sonic Colors planets, City Escape, or even Eggmanland (at least break it up in 3 sections like the Wii lol.)

tms_forever1 Since: Apr, 2017 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
#45615: Nov 6th 2019 at 6:01:52 AM

I’d like all of those honestly! ^^ Studiopolis would be the obvious inclusion and it’d be really neat to see it in 3D, for others, maybe Music Plant? They referenced it in a color pack so idk if that’s a hint or not lol. A stage based on Radical Highway maybe? It could fit in a theme with City Escape and the Forces City ^^

BorneAgain (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#45616: Nov 6th 2019 at 10:44:14 AM

More promotional material for the movie and thus another look at the the new design has supposedly popped up again

It does seem even better than the previous leak, if nothing else.

Edited by BorneAgain on Nov 6th 2019 at 1:51:45 PM

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#45617: Nov 6th 2019 at 11:14:42 AM

If you look really close, you can see Sonic's eyes are still separated, but the white marking right on top of his nose gives him the illusion of have the distinctive eyes. (Don't want to call it the mono-eye.)

erazor0707 (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Wishfully thinking
#45618: Nov 6th 2019 at 11:36:28 AM

I respect the hell out of Paramount for actually listening to feedback and improving the design.

Draghinazzo (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: I get a feeling so complicated...
#45619: Nov 6th 2019 at 12:01:04 PM

My only problem is the artists working on the film have probably been in mega-crunch mode to try and fix a design that they probably knew was bad from the beginning, but that they were forced to go with anyway.

(I have no proof that's what happened, but I've seen a lot of pro artists on twitter saying that this doesn't seem an unlikely scenario based on their experience).

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#45620: Nov 6th 2019 at 1:48:52 PM

I wish the Game Gear Sonic games would get rereleases or at least acknowledged now and then. I think the last time they were available besides on the original system was in Sonic Adventure DX and the Sonic Gems collection.

The Protomen enhanced my life.
Primis Since: Nov, 2010
#45621: Nov 6th 2019 at 2:12:47 PM

[up] Gear Gear Silver Sonic was in Sonic Mania.

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#45622: Nov 6th 2019 at 2:13:44 PM

Oh yeah! I forgot about him.

The Protomen enhanced my life.
123tbones Since: Aug, 2015
#45623: Nov 6th 2019 at 2:15:53 PM

Sega could make a dedicated console for the Game Gear like what they did for the Sega Genesis/Mega Drive Mini.

tms_forever1 Since: Apr, 2017 Relationship Status: You cannot grasp the true form
#45624: Nov 6th 2019 at 2:49:41 PM

I think they’re all on the 3ds virtual console, but yeah a collection or something would be nice. I mean look how well the Mega Man collections have done, I’m surprised Sega hasn’t just done a Sonic collection with the classics and the game gear games, is 3&K even on current gen systems at all?

Edited by tms_forever1 on Nov 6th 2019 at 5:50:31 AM

ShinyCottonCandy Everyone's friend Malamar from Lumiose City (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
Everyone's friend Malamar
#45625: Nov 6th 2019 at 2:54:19 PM

Supposedly, there’s some licensing issue with Sonic 3’s music or something that’s prevented it from getting the same treatment as Sonic 1, 2, and CD. It’s notably missing from the fairly recent Sega Genesis Classics and Sega Genesis Mini, for instance.

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