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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#45501: Oct 30th 2019 at 7:49:53 AM

Ok.

With a detailed post like that, I'm completely swayed.

Edited by randomness4 on Oct 30th 2019 at 7:50:29 AM

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JadedStreak2 Since: Feb, 2019
#45502: Oct 30th 2019 at 11:27:01 AM

I just don't understand what everyone loved about it so much. It's really not as good as people say.

RodimusMinor Professional Complainer Since: Oct, 2018
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#45503: Oct 30th 2019 at 11:28:08 AM

2D pixel art Classic Sonic game based heavily on the original quadrilogy.

Subjective complaints about gameplay aside it was always going to be beloved.

JadedStreak2 Since: Feb, 2019
#45504: Oct 30th 2019 at 11:30:11 AM

That's a major problem for me. It was always going to be beloved simply because it was 2D and had zero involvement from Sonic Team. In both cases, those should have been indicators that it wasn't going to do well.

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#45505: Oct 30th 2019 at 11:31:09 AM

You aren’t familiar with Sonic Team’s reputation, are you?

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RodimusMinor Professional Complainer Since: Oct, 2018
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#45506: Oct 30th 2019 at 11:31:29 AM

Except it's general consensus that Sonic works best in 2D, the guys working on the game were all fangame developers, and Sonic Team kind of sucks.

JadedStreak2 Since: Feb, 2019
#45507: Oct 30th 2019 at 11:32:06 AM

I somewhat am, but that doesn't always indicate that someone else would do better...

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#45508: Oct 30th 2019 at 11:35:24 AM

In the end they did, at least according to critics and a large swath of the fanbase.

I'm not as in love with Mania as I'd like to be but that's mostly because I'm bad at 2D Sonic.

JadedStreak2 Since: Feb, 2019
#45509: Oct 30th 2019 at 11:36:56 AM

Trust me, mate. It's not your fault that you can't handle 2D Sonic. 2D Sonic, much like Adventure-era Sonic, hasn't aged well.

RodimusMinor Professional Complainer Since: Oct, 2018
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#45510: Oct 30th 2019 at 11:41:44 AM

They're fine games it's just that in 3&K in particular, and Mania since it follows suit, the big exploratory levels don't mesh well with the hyper fast gameplay, and Mania is so much bigger and more extravagant that ended up being doubled down on. Sonic 2 had it right where you just collect 50 rings and jump into a lampost for a chance at the Chaos Emerald.

I like to do everything in one go and classic Sonic games are skill based games meant to be played repeatedly until you master them, and I just don't have that kind of time anymore.

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#45511: Oct 30th 2019 at 11:41:49 AM

2D Sonic has aged perfectly fine. It's just less beginner-friendly than something like Mario is.

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Hashil Since: Aug, 2010
#45512: Oct 30th 2019 at 11:42:59 AM

It aged a whole lot better than 3-D Sonic. Mania's a solid game and most of my problems with it come with the fact that latter levels get more hectic than they need to, which is just part of the philosophy of their being short games you dive into and master if you want, but don't need to if you just want to get to the end and finish the story.

I could just chalk this up to opinion, but Mania's been the best received, at least in terms of internet perception, Sonic game in years, so it probably isn't just that. Better than their other nostalgia/fandom bait titles.

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#45513: Oct 30th 2019 at 11:46:28 AM

I found Sonic 1 a lot harder to play than 2/3&K.

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JadedStreak2 Since: Feb, 2019
#45514: Oct 30th 2019 at 11:47:14 AM

Sonic Mania suffers from many of the same problems that have been plaguing the Sonic franchise for years - weak story, very short gameplay, characters out of character, glitches and bugs galore...

RodimusMinor Professional Complainer Since: Oct, 2018
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#45515: Oct 30th 2019 at 11:47:45 AM

If I'm being honest my all-time favorite way to play Sonic is Adventure 2 Sonic. They absolutely nailed how to control him in a 3D space with that game, and then proceeded to dump it into the ground and constantly reinvent the wheel.

[up]heckin' what mate

Nobody played Mania for the story, the gameplay was longer than any other Classic Sonic, and there were no characters to ruin to begin with. Everyone's silent and pantomimes.

Edited by RodimusMinor on Oct 30th 2019 at 2:49:08 PM

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#45516: Oct 30th 2019 at 11:50:07 AM

Sonic Mania... weak story

If pushing story to the side to focus on gameplay is something you have a problem with, you’re looking at the wrong franchise.

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JadedStreak2 Since: Feb, 2019
#45517: Oct 30th 2019 at 11:53:01 AM

Look, the point is that, considering how notorious the fandom is about winging about "he only worked in 2D" and "Sonic Team iz shit", Sonic Mania didn't deserve to succeed.

Hashil Since: Aug, 2010
#45518: Oct 30th 2019 at 11:54:16 AM

So this is just like that other guy that was throwing a tantrum because of the idea of the game rather than any specifics about it

kay

RodimusMinor Professional Complainer Since: Oct, 2018
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#45519: Oct 30th 2019 at 11:55:17 AM

[up][up]And yet...

It's cool if you personally dislike it, I'm not too hot on it either, but this is getting kind of silly.

JadedStreak2 Since: Feb, 2019
#45520: Oct 30th 2019 at 12:01:19 PM

Okay, but what I'm saying is very much like what the fandom - including many on this forum - say about anything Sonic Team makes. Besides, fan developers of Sonic games, Whitehead and crew included, have a reputation of being worse than Sonic Team at making games.

RodimusMinor Professional Complainer Since: Oct, 2018
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#45521: Oct 30th 2019 at 12:02:33 PM

Are you angry that we don't give Christian Whitehead shit for a game that's already out and nigh unanimously praised?

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#45522: Oct 30th 2019 at 12:02:43 PM

How much story could you possibly want in a damn 2D Sonic game?

Or rather, a classic Sonic game?

Also, since when do Whitehead and co. have such a reputation?

Edited by PhysicalStamina on Oct 30th 2019 at 3:05:07 PM

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JadedStreak2 Since: Feb, 2019
#45524: Oct 30th 2019 at 12:04:38 PM

Look, I just think it's very hypocritical that the fandom, including this thread, are all for bashing almost anything released after S3&K, yet when someone does the same towards Mania, suddenly it seems as though it's illegal. This isn't about 2D vs 3D, it's not about good games vs bad games, it's just one big, ugly, disgusting Double Standard.

RodimusMinor Professional Complainer Since: Oct, 2018
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#45525: Oct 30th 2019 at 12:05:44 PM

Nobody is doing that my dude. I've even said for the fourth time now that I'm not big on Mania either.


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