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Irene Siiiiiiiiiiiip from Digital World Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: The Skitty to my Wailord
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#67426: Oct 5th 2022 at 8:59:12 PM

Some of those are more fridge horror than confirmed deaths. If a technical death(frozen in place) is stopped, then they didn't actually die anyway.

I think the issue with the statement is that it isn't counting villains who are aliens or eldritch abominations, essentially, and it isn't relying on fridge horror either way.

...What happened to Gemerl later? I know he died as Emerl in Sonic Battle, but got resurrected later. And Emerl's death was directly caused by Eggman(and actually properly onscreen this time, no fridge horror stuff. Straight story bits). I don't remember the ending of Sonic Advance 3(I never beat it, so).

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#67427: Oct 5th 2022 at 9:06:59 PM

We can assume some people were killed in his initial assault on Soleanna before that retconned out.

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Zeromaeus Mighty No. 51345 from Neo Arcadia Since: May, 2010
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#67428: Oct 5th 2022 at 9:10:48 PM

Gemerl was restored and now lives with Cream and Vanilla.

Edited by Zeromaeus on Oct 5th 2022 at 12:10:55 PM

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Irene Siiiiiiiiiiiip from Digital World Since: Aug, 2012 Relationship Status: The Skitty to my Wailord
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#67429: Oct 5th 2022 at 9:19:13 PM

Cosmic Retcon more specifically. Since it was a single game story. The game is canon, and the events clearly still exist, just that only the Time Eater was able to restore them. It's a bit weird.

However, that's still Fridge Horror.

Ah, thanks on the Gemerl info.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#67430: Oct 5th 2022 at 9:32:33 PM

Man, Cream and Vanilla are so weird. There's a bunch of random stuff like that associated with them, but since they're characters the game hasn't been interested in exploring for over a decade all that stuff's just... trivia.

"Oh yeah, Gemeral. Reincarnation of that ancient war machine turned friend turned enemy we met once. He lives with that cute kid down the block."

Edited by KnownUnknown on Oct 5th 2022 at 9:32:39 AM

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RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from Australia Since: Feb, 2015
#67431: Oct 5th 2022 at 10:49:20 PM

Not sure why Eggman decided to kidnap Vanilla in the first place; it sounds like something Bowser would do, not him

ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#67432: Oct 6th 2022 at 4:45:23 AM

Actually, yeah, why did he kidnap them anyway? Like if he was doing 'animals in robots' at the time then yes, sure, he'd kidnap them to power robots, but he didn't; they were random hostages Eggman took with no relationship to Sonic at all.

Maybe he just grabbed them because they were nearby when Sonic showed up?

Numbuh1234 Since: Apr, 2014
#67433: Oct 6th 2022 at 5:28:19 AM

He kidnapped Cream, Tails, and Vanilla.

And then after Cream saves Vanilla (seriously, she's absent from everyone else's stories), he decides he's not done and just kidnaps her a second time.

What was Eggman's deal with random kidnappings in that game.

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#67434: Oct 6th 2022 at 5:36:02 AM

Even if he knew Emerl's memories of Cream(which isn't impossible), that doesn't explain the motive itself.

It's kind of weird. Like, the first time, he is using a quick hostage and all to get what he wants. Beyond that? Though it doesn't explain Tails either(from what I understand from what was said earlier is that only Cream and Vanilla were kidnapped at the same time).

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lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#67435: Oct 6th 2022 at 5:42:17 AM

Didn't he kidnap Knuckles too or am i misremembering?

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Numbuh1234 Since: Apr, 2014
#67436: Oct 6th 2022 at 5:45:20 AM

Nah, Knuckles got tricked for the fifth time.

Fortunately, he doesn't get tricked again.

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Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#67437: Oct 6th 2022 at 6:50:51 AM

I'm pretty sure he used Tails to power one of the boss fights in the game, I forget which one.

As for Eggman not killing, well, that's obvious. He was stopped before he could, and they don't give Nobel prizes for attempted chemistry. If you said Eggman totally killed people offscreen, sure, why not, but we haven't seen him be successful.

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#67438: Oct 6th 2022 at 8:08:20 AM

No he kidnapped Tails too. Cream and Tails were hostages while Knuckles got tricked into fighting Sonic.

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Numbuh1234 Since: Apr, 2014
#67439: Oct 6th 2022 at 8:09:18 AM

Oh yeah, this no killing thing. TBH I'm kinda skeptical on the claim being made, I wouldn't be surprised if Flynn misunderstood. Didn't he latch onto the no money thing to despite the person who originally said that saying that it was only ever about depicting certain characters with money and not actually a lore restriction?

Regardless, it's definitely incorrect. We've got...

  • SA 2's moon blasting, which realistically would end the planet, so even in a high fortune scenario would still cause some level of death due to the oceans being changed.
  • Emerl's death.
  • S Adv.3's earth shattering
  • 06's missile barrage into a populated area
  • Unleashed's earth shattering
  • Generations' time erasure thing (which is effectively murder let's be real)
  • Lost World's literal life draining - yeah Eggman wanted to be conservative but the very concept of the machine is draining life out of things lmao.
  • Forces's hostile takeover of the globe, including abrupt, widespread changes to water sources.

It's frankly far too consistent to really have any basis.

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#67440: Oct 6th 2022 at 8:11:08 AM

By the way, Memphis Tennese is in Speed Battle.

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: Jun, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#67441: Oct 6th 2022 at 8:11:40 AM

[up][up]No, Flynn called bullshit on it, but as a contracted worker, he just has to roll with it no matter how ridiculous it sounds.

Edited by BlackYakuzu94 on Oct 6th 2022 at 11:12:04 AM

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NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#67442: Oct 6th 2022 at 8:37:49 AM

Imagine not wanting your main villain, who blew up an island, to actually have a reputation of killing people.

Numbuh1234 Since: Apr, 2014
#67443: Oct 6th 2022 at 8:42:12 AM

[up][up] I know, but that still doesn't exclude the possibility of him misunderstanding.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#67444: Oct 6th 2022 at 9:12:17 AM

Writers tend to have to know exactly what these mandates mean, lest they accidentally fail to uphold them and risk their jobs.

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#67445: Oct 6th 2022 at 9:38:27 AM

And I'm pretty sure they have official translators. Not that miscommunication can't happen, but it just seems unlikely.

[up][up][up] Because this is still a children's series at the end of the day with a corporate mascot; Eggman being a murderer would drastically alter the tone of the franchise.

Its one of the main reasons I speculate that's why concepts like GUN have been exorcised from the series, a villainous group who have actually murdered people and why Shadow's personality has been streamlined to not allude to the tragic parts of his background, being a more generic Stock Shōnen Rival character.

Because Sonic Adventure 2, no matter how fondly remembered it is, is kind of infamous for how drastically the Cerberus Syndrome hit the franchise. Its simply too jarring of a shift to go from Eggman's brand of cartoon villainy, to a military who were willing to murder innocents, including children, to cover up their own mistakes.

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#67446: Oct 6th 2022 at 10:15:56 AM

Eggman has still committed the following acts:

  • Trapping animals in robots (every game chronologically until Heroes; Lost World and Mania)
  • Kidnapping (Sonic 2 8-bit, Sega Sonic, CD, Adventure, Advance 2, ‘06 repeatedly)
  • Terrorism (Implied with Sonic 2, 3&K, 4, and Fighters, explicit in Adventure 2)
  • Small brainwashing (everytime Knux was tricked)
  • Attacking metropolitan areas (Adventure, ‘06)
  • Breaking into a military base twice, then blowing it up (Adventure 2)
  • Extortion (again, Adventure 2)
  • Blowing up the Earth (Advance 3 and Unleashed)
  • Attempted mass brainwashing (Colors)
  • Erasing history (Generations)
  • Becoming a Tyrant (Forces)

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NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#67447: Oct 6th 2022 at 12:06:20 PM

In Sonic 2, it's not possible defeat Asterons. So when they explode, the animal inside also dies

This is a man who is more than willing to carpet bomb a jungle or flood a factory with ooze. That level of negligence alone is gonna take lives

Edited by NoName999 on Oct 6th 2022 at 12:08:22 PM

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: Jun, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#67448: Oct 6th 2022 at 12:50:30 PM

Still no death.

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#67449: Oct 6th 2022 at 1:03:51 PM

[up]People on Prison Island had to have died in the explosion. At least Flying Dog’s pilot did.

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#67450: Oct 6th 2022 at 1:06:26 PM

Maybe Rouge warned the soldiers in advance since she was working for G.U.N.

Doesn't explain Flying Dog's pilot.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Oct 6th 2022 at 4:06:49 AM

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