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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#53626: Aug 18th 2020 at 9:08:43 PM

Nintendo still has their own...shitty development habits.

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Perseus Since: Nov, 2009
#53627: Aug 18th 2020 at 9:12:23 PM

Like? Don't say stuff like that if you're just gonna be vague about it.

Edited by Perseus on Aug 19th 2020 at 2:12:43 AM

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#53628: Aug 18th 2020 at 9:13:25 PM

Y'mean the mandates?

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#53629: Aug 18th 2020 at 9:14:00 PM

Well there's the whole Paper Mario debacle, and how stingy they are with things like their online network.

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Perseus Since: Nov, 2009
#53630: Aug 18th 2020 at 9:14:08 PM

That is, quite frankly, so not remotely comparable to the level of crunch we were discussing that to even bring it up in the same conversation is laughable.

Edited by Perseus on Aug 19th 2020 at 2:20:05 AM

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
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#53631: Aug 18th 2020 at 9:16:15 PM

You're just a ray of sunshine aren't you...

The point being, Nintendo aren't above any of the things that have been mentioned here.

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powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The crabby fussbudget
#53632: Aug 18th 2020 at 9:21:46 PM

Oh no, I’m not saying that Nintendo has no shitty practices. I’m only saying that they’re actually better when it comes to crunch time.

But yeah, they still have shit online, the crusade against emulation when they don’t offer a better alternative, and being super quiet on what they’re working on.

EDIT: I forgot this one: Nintendo doesn't allow returns on digital products. So if you accidentally buy a game on the eShop, you can't get your money refunded.

Edited by powerpuffbats on Aug 18th 2020 at 9:24:50 AM

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#53633: Aug 18th 2020 at 9:24:41 PM

Or DMCA-ing harmless fangames.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#53634: Aug 18th 2020 at 9:26:55 PM

Ok. So Nintendo sucks too, but in a slightly different way.

But at least they don't nearly murder their workers.

The mandates with Paper Mario and their hatred of Fangames is a shame though. Cause they'd be perfect if they stopped doing that shit....

Wait. Wasn't it revealed that the mandate stuff was a misunderstanding and it was the PM developers who decided to do most of that stuff themselves?

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Perseus Since: Nov, 2009
#53635: Aug 18th 2020 at 9:31:01 PM

No, to my understanding, it was in a recent interview about Origami King that we learned the mandates were an ironclad thing as opposed to Miyamoto just having said "I don't think you should use OCs" once.

And, like, I'm sorry if I was rude, and Nintendo certainly have their issues, but when the exchange goes "Nintendo don't treat their employees like literal slaves." "Yeah, but they killed Paper Mario and have bad online!" it does sound like you're drawing an equivalency there. Which... does not exist.

Edited by Perseus on Aug 19th 2020 at 2:35:25 AM

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#53636: Aug 18th 2020 at 9:32:24 PM

Nintendo's problem tends to be they are simultaneously ahead and behind the curve. Ahead in they try not to do a lot of crunch and mostly focus on quality. Behind in that they cling to some archaic methods (ex. Only a few years ago they learned that maybe content ID claiming free promotion of your games' videos on You Tube is a bad idea when all your competitors allow it).

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#53637: Aug 18th 2020 at 9:52:01 PM

The bigger a project, the more likely Nintendo shuts it down...

Ambition dies.

Edited by randomness4 on Aug 18th 2020 at 9:53:34 AM

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Karxrida from Eureka, the Forbidden Land Since: May, 2012 Relationship Status: I LOVE THIS DOCTOR!
#53638: Aug 18th 2020 at 10:13:35 PM

Nintendo Christmas Rushed Metroid Prime 2 super hard. Retro also gives me the impression that it's not treated well by Nintendo in general.

Yumil Mad Archivist Since: Mar, 2016
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#53639: Aug 19th 2020 at 1:39:37 AM

I'd sya the opposite, actually : Nintendo has left Retro to it's own devices for too long, and the studio only truly shine when they have someone behind them to direct them. That's what happened with metroid prime and DKCR, and ever since nintendo has left them alone, they haven't managed to produce anything.

I also wouldn't have picked echoes as the example, considering even most of the work on the first metroid prime game was done in a ridiculously short timespan. You can also go way back and look at how they made super metroid, which ended up with a typcial case of crunch.

But then again, no one is saying Nintendo has never been a practitionner of crunch. Like. Woah, Japanese company used to work employees to the bone, who could have guessed. But when that kind of example is nearly twenty years ago and the company has made open efforts about stopping that lately, I'm not sure it's all that relevant.

Edited by Yumil on Aug 19th 2020 at 10:42:10 AM

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PhiSat Planeswalker from Everywhere and Nowhere Since: Jan, 2011
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#53641: Aug 19th 2020 at 3:35:23 PM

Pokemon Sword and Shield is an obvious example of crunch and a rushed out the door game. Now whether that's Nintendo or Game Freak forcing the crunch (or The Pokemon Company) is hard to say.

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Perseus Since: Nov, 2009
#53642: Aug 19th 2020 at 3:41:23 PM

I could go on an entire rant about how it's The Pokemon Company enforcing a rigid cycle of merchandising that saw Sw/Sh forced out the door, but I'll spare you all.

Edited by Perseus on Aug 19th 2020 at 8:46:45 PM

powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#53643: Aug 19th 2020 at 4:53:34 PM

I saw the video and....yikes.

Why didn't game developers unionize earlier?

I do love the ending where he plays Fortnite. It's funny yet it also shows a problem as to why publishers get away with these abuses: Not a lot of people really care in the end as they just want to play their game.

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Primis Since: Nov, 2010
#53644: Aug 19th 2020 at 5:10:29 PM

Earlier? They still haven't. That's why this problem is still so pervasive.

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#53645: Aug 19th 2020 at 5:12:34 PM

Change takes a while & it doesn’t help that the game industry itself makes those changes harder after proving they can’t manage themselves.

Havn’t seen the video yet but does it mention some of the shit going on at Ubisoft or Naughty Dog?

Edited by slimcoder on Aug 19th 2020 at 5:14:13 AM

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powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#53646: Aug 19th 2020 at 5:22:21 PM

What's going on with Naughty Dog?

The video doesn't mention Naughty Dog as it was made a year ago.

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Primis Since: Nov, 2010
#53647: Aug 19th 2020 at 5:22:43 PM

Change is coming, though. People do take these problems more seriously these days than they used to, which is why Ubisoft is currently internally imploding.

The writers of Lovestruck also just successfully went on strike for better wages, which is especially impressive considering that they are freelancers. They were not entitled to normal employee protections, but they fought for better wages anyway and won. That will be remembered as a historic moment re: Unionization in Video Games.


[up] Massive amounts of crunch, even by the industry's awful standards. They're a horrible company.

Edited by Primis on Aug 19th 2020 at 5:23:24 AM

powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#53648: Aug 19th 2020 at 5:28:04 PM

[up]WHAT?!?

Luckily more people are starting to notice and care. But yeah, the industry seriously needs some oversight. It can't police itself at all if some events have anything to say (I'm mostly looking at the whole "microtransactions in NBA 2K20" scandal that broke out at the end of last year)

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Perseus Since: Nov, 2009
#53649: Aug 19th 2020 at 5:29:11 PM

Expecting any industry to "police itself" is nigh-comical naivete at absolute best and more likely willful ignorance.

Edited by Perseus on Aug 19th 2020 at 10:33:11 PM

slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#53650: Aug 19th 2020 at 5:29:28 PM

ND is so horrible they had to hire & train movie animators while developing games at the same time because no video game animators would willingly work under them anymore. Their rep is actually ruined to the point they can’t hire people anymore

Also Ubisoft has become the rape company with also lots of racism. It’s reported that at one studio, while watching a trailer for Star Wars: The Force Awakens, a bunch of people kept calling John Boyega a monkey.

Edited by slimcoder on Aug 19th 2020 at 5:29:37 AM

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