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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#53201: Aug 3rd 2020 at 2:15:20 PM

And yeah, apparently folks noticed he's borrowing moves from Iron Man and Rocket Raccoon from Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3, but is that necessarily a bad thing?

Literally every fan made fighting game ever steals moves from official games, and I can think of several official games that have stolen moves from MVC. It has some of the best movesets in the biz.

So it’s definitely a “who cares” sort of situation.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Aug 4th 2020 at 10:10:55 AM

Primis Since: Nov, 2010
#53202: Aug 5th 2020 at 1:42:44 PM

Does anybody know what triggers the "Accident" mini-games in Sonic Shuffle? Is it just a "Landing on any space has a 1 in X chance of triggering one" sort of thing? That's certainly what it feels like.

Vertigo_High Since: May, 2010
#53203: Aug 5th 2020 at 2:10:48 PM

Why does Omega bust out a minigun instead of transforming his arms into one? Plus Omega can do more than shoot lasers, his arms can shoot flames and rockets as well.

His moveset is pretty uninspired TBH.

TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#53204: Aug 5th 2020 at 4:24:02 PM

[up] Probably because Rocket Raccoon did that with his minigun? And the developers for Sonic Smackdown really wanted Omega to have a minigun attack?

Yeah, I thought it was a bit disappointing initially, but I'm over it because it's a technical shortcut that works IMO.

123tbones Since: Aug, 2015
#53205: Aug 6th 2020 at 9:49:03 AM

Today I found out that Shadow the Hedgehog's voice actor, Kirk Thorton, is actually 64 years old. And I'm like "Damn! I know shadow is suppose to be more than 50 years old but damn!".

Props to him tho.

Edited by 123tbones on Aug 6th 2020 at 9:51:58 AM

Maljen Since: Jan, 2015
#53206: Aug 6th 2020 at 4:25:07 PM

https://greenyvertekins.tumblr.com/post/625718599702790144/continuing-to-skim-the-guide-and-wanted-to

I dig how Sonic Adventure's guide established that Eggman's more or less a Well Intentioned Extremist (he doesn't "mean any ill will"). I note this since the games after all the way to Forces didn't really build on that element of his character solidly.

Edited by Maljen on Aug 6th 2020 at 4:27:01 AM

ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#53207: Aug 6th 2020 at 5:04:53 PM

I would have actually kind of liked it if they kept the Adventure characterization of wanting to improve the world and humanity with his machines because he genuinely saw GUN as corrupt.

agent-trunks IHE from Every-where, but there Since: Apr, 2015
IHE
#53208: Aug 6th 2020 at 5:13:37 PM

Huh, 1st time I'm hearing about it

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#53209: Aug 6th 2020 at 5:32:55 PM

That would probably put the series into a grey area that it really wouldn't be equipped to handle.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#53210: Aug 6th 2020 at 5:46:19 PM

Yeah, I never really liked that about GUN. "The government is actually a covert probably-evil military regime!" is an idea that always felt like it couldn't find a good place in Sonic's adventures, which I've always figured is why they dropped it almost right away and instead rebranded GUN as "the reason Team Dark is investigating X disaster," which worked way better.

I like Eggman as a guy arrogant enough to legit thinking everything will be better under his supposedly-benevolent rule (like The Brain), but him actually be crusading against a corrupt government forces him into a story that limits him imo.

Edited by KnownUnknown on Aug 6th 2020 at 5:51:52 AM

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#53211: Aug 6th 2020 at 5:51:28 PM

GUN don't even have that anymore once Sega decided Team Dark just more or less work on their own.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Crossover-Enthusiast from an abaondoned mall (Lucky 7) Relationship Status: Chocolate!
#53212: Aug 6th 2020 at 5:56:16 PM

Is GUN even a thing anymore?

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#53213: Aug 6th 2020 at 5:58:33 PM

[up] Probably not.

Yeah, I never really liked that about GUN. "The government is actually a covert probably-evil military regime!" is an idea that always felt like it couldn't find a good place in Sonic's adventures, which I've always figured is why they dropped it almost right away and instead rebranded GUN as "the reason Team Dark is investigating X disaster," which worked way better.

Plus, Sonic is supposed to be fiction. There's too much real life in that premise.cool

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BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#53214: Aug 6th 2020 at 5:59:20 PM

Nope, not really. Outside of alternate media, their last appearance was in Sonic Chronicles in 2008.

Makes sense, a dubious military organization doesn't really fit into the Lighter and Softer atmosphere the series has been going for since Unleashed.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#53215: Aug 6th 2020 at 6:03:56 PM

Plus, Eggman is the only relevant human now. Or possibly the only human period.

Maybe if they'd made some other interesting humans, that wouldn't be the case, but there you go.

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Maljen Since: Jan, 2015
#53216: Aug 6th 2020 at 6:08:57 PM

I'm sure at least part of G.U.N.'s job in Adventure 2 was to represent Sonic's nature as a freespirit by having him face his world's highest enforcers of law instead of a terrorist or monster. We never really get many situations where Sonic's freespirit and lack of respect for authority (Technical Files) puts him in opposition to The Long Arm of the Law. Even in Western interpretations he's fighting against an Eggman who usurped the "rightful ruler." The other game example of this is facing Camelot's forces.

[up]Eh, far as I can tell the other Robotniks (Maria and Gerald) had a decent enough reception among actual Sonic fans. Shahra and Merlina (who at least look mostly human) did too. It's really only Elise and Commander Tower and Chris who got major hatred directed at them.

Edited by Maljen on Aug 6th 2020 at 6:23:39 AM

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#53217: Aug 6th 2020 at 6:49:41 PM

#CrackSomeEggs #MakeAnOmelette

darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#53218: Aug 6th 2020 at 7:21:53 PM

Shahra and Merlina were surprisingly fleshed out and likable for their games. Helps Black Knight's writer also did Adventure 2, which explains a lot, really.

powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
The crabby fussbudget
#53219: Aug 6th 2020 at 9:07:53 PM

I really need to play Black Knight again.

(I don't really wanna even touch Secret Rings again).

I still think humans are an idea that isn't inherently flawed, just that the Commander and Elise (and Chris) were so badly received that they overshadowed characters like Professor Pickle.

Unrelated, but as a birthday gift to myself, I got my second Game Gear game after Triple Trouble: Sonic 1.

I might get Sonic Rivals as well.

I don't why but I kinda wanna get into collecting the handheld Sonic games. I guess it's because they tend to be more obscure than the console games just makes them more interesting to me for some reason.

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Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#53220: Aug 6th 2020 at 9:29:29 PM

I mean, GUN makes sense as a typical "authority bad, freedom good thing", and it worked in SA 2, they just didn't work when they tried to shift them into an actual orginization.

Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#53221: Aug 6th 2020 at 10:34:47 PM

My problem is that people and Sonic always look alien to one another. The humans in Sonic Adventure (minus Eggman) look too real while the ones in Unleashed look too cartoony. Humans paired alongside Sonic should look like something akin to Billy Hatcher or, more recently, the humanoids in Balan Wonderland.

Edited by Zeromaeus on Aug 6th 2020 at 1:58:01 PM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#53222: Aug 6th 2020 at 10:36:46 PM

Sonic Boom shows the only human you need is Eggman.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
#53223: Aug 6th 2020 at 10:36:49 PM

eeeehhhh, never got that complaint in all honesty.

I didn't mind Adventure humans or Unleashed.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
PhiSat Planeswalker from Everywhere and Nowhere Since: Jan, 2011
Planeswalker
#53224: Aug 6th 2020 at 11:25:55 PM

The humans just need to not be Uncanny Valley. The Unleashed ones were great, they need to be cartoony so the main cast doesn't look out of place in the world.

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Maljen Since: Jan, 2015
#53225: Aug 7th 2020 at 12:20:16 AM

[up][up][up]Both the game and show for Sonic Boom literally only happens on one random island. It's easy to get away with only Eggman being the only human when Boom doesn't show the world outside of Nowhere Island or talk about what's outside of it. And even then, Boom's attempt to adapt Shadow didn't work out too well considering among other things he was designed to have notable ties to humans besides Eggman.

Canon Sonic has always been a wanderer so of course he'd come across other humans in his travels away from Christmas Island. Boom Sonic in comparison had that element of his character moved aside.


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