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#47926: Mar 28th 2020 at 9:18:32 PM

I think Adventure 2's story is a lot messier than Adventure 1's story. Adventure 1 had one central antagonist, Chaos, and Chaos taking on bigger and badder forms with each successive Chaos Emerald gave it a good sense of progression and escalation. The problem with Adventure 1 is that it was bogged down by too many weird subplots that had little to nothing to do with Chaos, like Amy and Gamma's stories. Good on their own, bad for cohesion.

Adventure 2's storyline, in contrast, is kind of a clusterfuck. A clusterfuck that all comes together at the end, but only just barely. Shadow framing Sonic still feels contrived. Eggman's Pyramid base is still random and out-of-place. Knuckles and Rouge's storyline is complete filler. Worst of all, GUN is completely worthless and forgettable as generic antagonists, but removing them removes a good 30% of the whole plot, a lot of the story is dedicated to these human military losers for no good reason.

randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#47927: Mar 28th 2020 at 9:39:41 PM

Pointing out the obvious: I feel like you're only calling them losers just because...

There's nothing really wrong with their interjection in the story, if not the military specifically...then just something else and the only thing that'd be lost is a reason for Sonic to care about Shadow other than him working with Eggman.

And if they still became rivals in a story like that, he'd then literally be a replacement Metal Sonic.

Edited by randomness4 on Mar 28th 2020 at 9:40:57 AM

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#47928: Mar 28th 2020 at 10:26:14 PM

What's wrong with Eggman's pyramid base?

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darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#47929: Mar 28th 2020 at 10:37:49 PM

I always found it funny how the story can't think of anything for Amy to do until the very end, and perhaps rescue Sonic, and she lampshades she has nothing to do. Her finding the Professor's writings in the cell is a nice touch, though.

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#47930: Mar 28th 2020 at 11:05:49 PM

As a kid, after dying once on Cannon's Core and seeing Amy narrate the stage I got SUPER excited cause I thought she'd be playable. XD

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Primis Since: Nov, 2010
#47931: Mar 28th 2020 at 11:06:09 PM

I've never understood why some people take issue with the pyramid base. All of Eggman's bases are weird and out-of-place.

His Mystic Ruins base in SA1 literally appears out of nowhere in-between cutscenes. One moment nothing's there, then visit again after the right cutscene and suddenly there's a massive tower with searchlights. No explanation, but nobody ever mentions this one.

His base in Heroes and Shadow was a literal haunted castle, and he had to have built Eggmanland within a week.

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#47932: Mar 28th 2020 at 11:25:44 PM

Plus c'mon Eggman's pyramid base is pretty cool.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#47933: Mar 28th 2020 at 11:40:10 PM

Sonic doesn't even go to the mystic ruins on his own until he jumps off the Egg Carrier...so I'm pretty sure the fact that it's not there is purely because he wouldn't know about it.

Considering Gamma's first stage takes place there...it would kinda need to exist beforehand.

Edited by randomness4 on Mar 28th 2020 at 11:40:39 AM

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Zeromaeus Since: May, 2010
#47934: Mar 29th 2020 at 12:44:26 AM

Maybe it was hidden, or something.

Anyway, I don't think the Sonic Adventure titles are particularly bad. I know I loved them when I was young. I think middling shonen fare is a pretty fair judgement. They're both a little underbaked, but the circumstances didn't allow much else. SA was a launch title and SA2 was made when SEGA was desperately rushing things out the door in an attempt to save the Dreamcast. Communication between SEGA of Japan and SEGA of America was steadily getting worse. It was a real SNAFU.

As an antagonizing force, I like Chaos better than the stuff in SA2. Shadow is fine, but I like the gravity it added to the chaos and master emeralds. Plus I really liked Chaos 0's design. If my middle school notebooks still existed, you could see how many times I tried to draw that thing. The level variety was also, while not necessarily better, far more ambitious.

All of that aside, I wouldn't call the games amazing, but they were fun. They wouldn't top any list of mine, but I still remember them fondly and can still turn to them for a fun romp even now. AND, I would absolutely dive into anything that decided to resurrect the Chao Garden.

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#47936: Mar 29th 2020 at 1:42:50 AM

All and all, when i played Sonic Adventure 1, i only enjoyed Gamma story, as i felt it was more interesting and touching to see a sympathetic POV of one of Eggman robots. All other stories felt more generic to me.

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#47937: Mar 29th 2020 at 2:42:24 AM

Despite their flaws, I personally think the stories are still among the better ones of platformers from that era.

Edited by ShinyCottonCandy on Mar 29th 2020 at 5:42:35 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
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#47938: Mar 29th 2020 at 2:46:31 AM

So would it be recommended of me to get the games on Steam then?

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#47939: Mar 29th 2020 at 2:59:16 AM

[up] I personally find the adventure games to be pretty fun and entertaining so i'd recommend them.

I legitimately enjoyed Adventure 2's story, and Team Eggman was pretty fun to play as.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Mar 29th 2020 at 3:00:07 AM

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ultimatepheer Since: Mar, 2011
#47940: Mar 29th 2020 at 5:02:22 AM

I feel like the biggest complaint about the original Sonic Adventure would be alleviated just by making Big's fishing more user-friendly. Until now I've never really heard complaints that the stories themselves are disjointed; well, at least no complaints about Amy's.

Also, they need to fix her tendency to flash upskirts every time you pick her in the character select. I always found her dress's tendency to be a flat saucer weird.

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#47941: Mar 29th 2020 at 9:03:17 AM

Amy, Gamma, and Big don't really add to the main story at all in SA 1.

Anyways, I've finally beaten SA 1 after so many years (the reason why I didn't beat it: Big. I initially found his fishing way too confusing as a teenager playing the PS 3 version. That's why I played him right after Sonic this time around).

The 2nd phase of Perfect Chaos was actually challenging on my first time fighting him. The 1st phase is pathetically easy. Part of the issue that I had with the 2nd phase was getting hit by his lasers and that killing all of Sonic's momentum and me being close enough to not being able to successfully hit him.

Funny story: I managed to beat him by getting hit by a tornado and having enough momentum to fly up and hit him in the head.

I think the Generations Perfect Chaos fight was way more fun.

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Joshbones Since: May, 2015
#47942: Mar 29th 2020 at 11:29:06 AM

All the games with multiple characters tend to have issues with keeping them all equally relevant. 06 was the biggest offender, with Sonic's story having nothing to do with anything, but it was a problem in SA 1 as well.

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#47943: Mar 29th 2020 at 11:33:18 AM

[up] Sonic was the one fighting Chaos the most in Adventure 1, that’s certainly relevant.

As for 06, he was running around trying to rescue an easily kidnapped princess while Silver and Shadow were doing the actual plot.

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#47944: Mar 29th 2020 at 11:46:24 AM

Tails` story doesn't have much to do with the main plot either by virtue of his story being mostly a retread of Sonic's.

I get the sentiment that anything that's not related to the main plot is "filler", but those individual stories do the job of fleshing out the characters they revolve around. You take them out, then SA 1 really isn't as engaging as a story.

Sonic's is pretty by the numbers as he's The Hero who saves the day and nothing much else happens, and while Knuckles gives you a clearer picture of what's happening, he doesn't really go through any type of character arc to speak of. The little bit of Tails` story that isn't a retread of Sonic's is hardly about Chaos either, but his own personal growth.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#47945: Mar 29th 2020 at 11:49:09 AM

Yeah i like Tail's story of learning to stand by himself, and ending up saving Station Square.

If only Forces didn't destroy that.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Mar 29th 2020 at 11:52:07 AM

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darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#47946: Mar 29th 2020 at 12:00:21 PM

Also gotta remember, this was the first time we ever got a real sense of personality out of these characters. If they'd never got some spotlight here, we'd never get to know them. It was a necessary step for the series, showing that it could have ambitions beyond stop Eggman and get to the goal ring.

Also if anything, Sonic's plotline is one of the least connected. He repeatedly ignores Tikal trying to talk to him and hyper focuses on Eggman pretty much to the exclusion of anything else. It's only when all the stories meet up with Super Sonic that the big picture becomes clear.

powerpuffbats The crabby fussbudget Since: Mar, 2014 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#47947: Mar 29th 2020 at 1:26:20 PM

Actually, I think Knuckles fights Chaos the same amount of times as Sonic does.

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randomness4 Ghost '11 from The Land of Inconvenience Since: Sep, 2011
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#47948: Mar 29th 2020 at 1:33:58 PM

Sonic doesn't ignore Tikal...he's the only one who even remembers what she shows him.

But Sonic is the most connected to the plot via the fact that Eggman only Unleashed Chaos as a new weapon to beat Sonic. (Sonic Nex Gen doesn't even have that much)

Knuckles is connected to the lore, not so much the story.

Edited by randomness4 on Mar 29th 2020 at 1:34:34 AM

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NoName999 Since: May, 2011
#47949: Mar 29th 2020 at 1:34:12 PM

[up][up]Knuckles doesn't fight Perfect Chaos, so no he doesn't.

The character writing in Adventure isn't a masterpiece but I still prefer "Believe in Myself" Tails to "Sonic, help me!" Tails

Edited by NoName999 on Mar 29th 2020 at 1:34:42 AM

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#47950: Mar 29th 2020 at 1:35:51 PM

[up]I wasn't counting Perfect Chaos, but counting him then yes, Sonic has exactly 1 more fight with Chaos than Knuckles does.

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