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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#47776: Mar 6th 2020 at 5:12:46 PM

Wait, so that try-hard edginess of Sonic Forces that I felt was super underutilized and could have made for a good plot if it was the focus was just added in translation?! Goddamn, that was one of the things that really made Forces feel dysfunctional and unfocused. Maybe the writing and translation team is a bigger problem than I thought.

Man, I thought up a whole dark rewrite to Forces that REVOLVED around those two lines, and they weren't even in the original script.

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#47777: Mar 6th 2020 at 5:13:13 PM

On the plus side we got amazing fanfics out of it.

Edited by lalalei2001 on Mar 6th 2020 at 5:15:37 AM

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PushoverMediaCritic I'm sorry Tien, but I must go all out. from the Italy of America Since: Jul, 2015 Relationship Status: watch?v=dQw4w9WgXcQ
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#47778: Mar 6th 2020 at 5:15:10 PM

Got any recommendations?

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#47780: Mar 6th 2020 at 6:01:07 PM

Still thinking on my idea from this post here, and I was trying to figure out what role Silver could play.

But with his telekinesis, he could actually make a good Power or Flight character. Instead of smashing like Knuckles, Big Omega and Vector, he uses his telekinesis to just lift shit out of the way. And his status as the flight character is obvious.

Blaze would be a speed character clearly, considering she has her own version of Boost, only with more fire.

Mighty and Ray are clearly Power and flight characters respectively.

Tikal could be a Power character considering she is from the Knuckles clan (and her Sonic Adventure 2 Battle gameplay does give her all of Knuckles moves too).

....I have no idea what Marine could be to be honest. She's always been tricky. I suppose she'd need to be speed by default, since she seems to have no physical strength and obviously can't fly.

Any one want to put any other characters in certain spots.

Huh. You could probably fit some members of the Deadly Six into the three spots as well: I'd go with Zavok or Zomonfor power, and Zeena for Speed. Not sure who'd be Flight though. Zik is using some kind of hover disk to fly around in the IDW comic ( that is, before he uses his machine controlling powers to hijack the Babylon Rogues Extreme Gear for himself).

I mean, I think if I want to stick with this, I'll have to give someone a jet pack.

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Numbuh1234 Since: Apr, 2014
#47782: Mar 6th 2020 at 6:46:52 PM

Hey, I know the answer to how much time has passed!

So first the technical answer, from Sonic 1 all the way to Sonic Forces, is 0 years, because Sonic is and always will be 15 unless SEGA decides otherwise.

Ignoring that detail, I previously combed through the series to gather up as objective of a timeline as I could manage, which include a timestamp and even managed to grab a point of reference that isn't Sonic's birthday, and from my digging, the time from Sonic 1 to Sonic Adventure is roughly 2 years, and then from Sonic Adventure to after Team Sonic Racing is roughly 4 years.

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Fedetropes Call me Blast, not Fedetropes from Doomed universe Since: Dec, 2016 Relationship Status: Shipping fictional characters
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#47783: Mar 7th 2020 at 3:20:59 AM

Sonic being tortured IS on the JP Script, they use the word tormented instead though, but overall characters react to it as the same thing.

Tails losing it is s mistranslation though.

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lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#47784: Mar 7th 2020 at 3:43:32 AM

Various translations of the Japanese script I've read says Sonic was "given a hard time," "gave him grief," or "gave him hell" which could mean a lot of things. I've also heard that Knuckles just assumes such. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xIhTst2hIMA&t=69s

I also found evidence of an early script for the game, which actually predates Sonic Mania! This script has no mention of anything Sonic went through at all, though Rouge says Eggman wanted Sonic to fall into despair before killing him, which obvious didn't happen. https://tcrf.net/Prerelease:Sonic_Forces_(Windows)

https://pastebin.com/kcEWtVR2 (Japanese)

https://pastebin.com/vDubsVhN (Translated)

Edited by lalalei2001 on Mar 7th 2020 at 3:48:02 AM

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KuroBaraHime ☆♥☆ Since: Jan, 2011
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#47785: Mar 7th 2020 at 3:57:09 AM

It sounds like the Japanese line was "hidoi me ni awasareru" (ひどい目にあわされる). That's a variation of "hidoi me ni au" (ひどい目にあう), which is a really generic phrase that can be translated dozens of ways depending on content. It just generally means "to experience something bad". Usually it implies something more passive or coincidental, but using "awasareru" implies it's the fault of someone else.

The most awkwardly literal way to translate the full line would be, "According to report(s), it seems that Sonic is just continuing to be made to have a bad time there for some amount of months."

Edited by KuroBaraHime on Mar 7th 2020 at 7:12:04 AM

Numbuh1234 Since: Apr, 2014
JakesBrain Since: Jul, 2010
#47787: Mar 7th 2020 at 4:57:54 AM

"Word has it they've been putting him through hell for a few months" might be the best translation.

RJ-19-CLOVIS-93 from New Zealand (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#47788: Mar 7th 2020 at 2:36:47 PM

A thought: Sonic doesn't have much in the way of recurring villains, does it? Excluding villains who redeemed themselves, the only villains not Eggman or built by him to show up in more than one game are Nack the Weasel and Eggman Nega

No, I don't count the Bablyon Rogues because they aren't villains, more just jackass rivals

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lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#47790: Mar 7th 2020 at 3:04:15 PM

The Zeti appeared in more than one game if you count spinoffs.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#47791: Mar 7th 2020 at 3:47:43 PM

Yeah. It's essentially Nack and the Zeti for recurring villains in this series, and Nack has been regulated entirely to classic....and still only appears as an illusion.

Still not sure Why Sega is so big on keeping Nack, Bean and Bark out of the modern era. It's like they didn't even read Flynn's work with them. They'd add some good variety to the story, especially if they went with Bean's Flynn made personality.

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KnownUnknown Since: Jan, 2001
#47792: Mar 8th 2020 at 11:09:45 AM

In less than overwhelming news, Sonic Forces is free for PS 4 this month. I think I'll finally snag it, just for completeness' sake.

ElementX Since: Jan, 2001
#47793: Mar 11th 2020 at 12:29:50 PM

I'm thinking about subscribing just to get Shadow of the Colossus, which is one of my favorite games of all time. Getting Forces would be a nice perk tho.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#47794: Mar 11th 2020 at 12:31:29 PM

[up][up] Why is Sonic forces free?

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
SapphireBlue Since: Jan, 2001
#47795: Mar 11th 2020 at 12:51:33 PM

There are a few games every month that are free if you have PS Plus. You can download and play them anytime you have a subscription going. Forces is one of this month’s free games.

Edited by SapphireBlue on Mar 11th 2020 at 12:54:39 PM

ultimate_life_form Since: Aug, 2019
#47796: Mar 11th 2020 at 4:43:51 PM

Xbox Live Gold is getting Generations free.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#47797: Mar 13th 2020 at 8:57:01 AM

So....Knuckles has no fingers.

What things does this prevent him from doing...beyond obvious stuff like making peace signs and flipping the bird?

Edited by HandsomeRob on Mar 13th 2020 at 3:20:15 AM

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ShinyCottonCandy Everyone's friend Malamar from Lumiose City (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Who needs love when you have waffles?
darkabomination Since: Mar, 2012
#47799: Mar 13th 2020 at 1:48:01 PM

well, when Gamma was asking Amy for the bird, that... wasn't quite what I had in mind.


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