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ShirowShirow Play Langrisser from Land of maple syrup Relationship Status: Complex: I'm real, they are imaginary
Play Langrisser
Sep 19th 2019 at 9:43:00 PM

[up][up] That'd make too much sense.

Bleye knows Sabers.
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
Sep 20th 2019 at 3:21:06 AM

That doesn't sound very interesting to me tbh.

Shadow and Rouge are one of the few somewhat morally gray characters in the series, think it's doing them a disservice just having them be "cops" who exist to clean up after Sonic.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
Zeromaeus Mighty No. 51345 from Neo Arcadia
Mighty No. 51345
Sep 20th 2019 at 3:47:29 AM

I think they work best when they're less associated with the main group. They're doing their own thing, serving their own interests, and just cross paths with Sonic as a result of what they have going on.

Mega Man fanatic extraordinaire
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
Sep 20th 2019 at 4:39:17 AM

Rouge in particular has such a potentially interesting character but she's basically tied to Shadow's hip and that suuucks.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
darkabomination the Quantum Mechanic from cyberspace Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
the Quantum Mechanic
Sep 20th 2019 at 9:27:49 AM

Sega of today just doesn't seem interested, even if they would make character-focused games or side stories like the older 3d titles. At best they'll now show up to give exposition or cheer on Sonic.

"Less With The Sweet and Awesome, More With the Stabby-Hurty."
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
Sep 20th 2019 at 9:58:52 AM

I know Sega doesn't try anymore with its cast. It just kind of disappoints me since the series has potential for some real character driven conflicts, but they just don't give a damn.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
GAP Formerly G.G. from Who Knows? Relationship Status: Hugging my pillow
Formerly G.G.
Sep 20th 2019 at 3:55:13 PM

Also Shadow was not technically being arrogant when hr said he was the ultimate lifeform, he wasn't exposed to the outside world and it wasn't until Amy came along that he started to see things from a different perspective. Shadow is more naive if anything.

"Known for preying upon ships at sea, which they surround and subdue with powerful paralysis spells."
darkabomination the Quantum Mechanic from cyberspace Relationship Status: Maxing my social links
the Quantum Mechanic
Sep 20th 2019 at 4:01:14 PM

Heck if you stick around in the final boss fight of Adventure 2, he even admits that Sonic might be the ultimate, and not him.

"Less With The Sweet and Awesome, More With the Stabby-Hurty."
MetaflarePrime DNC from cashmoney Relationship Status: Chocolate!
DNC
Sep 20th 2019 at 4:01:45 PM

>shadow, the very first time he meets sonic: "You're not even good enough to be my fake"

FIGHT CRIME IN A CASUAL WAY
randomness4 S.M. from The Land of Inconvenience
S.M.
Sep 20th 2019 at 4:47:23 PM

That's from their 2nd encounter...

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Pichu-kun ...
...
Sep 20th 2019 at 4:50:39 PM

[up][up] What's the Japanese line?

randomness4 S.M. from The Land of Inconvenience
S.M.
Sep 20th 2019 at 4:52:56 PM

He says basically the same thing.

The lines are barely any different>>>

(ART) Rules of the Internet 28: There will always be more fucked up shit than you have seen.
Sep 20th 2019 at 5:02:23 PM

To be fair, Shadow says that before having his worldview shattered and being forced to fight alongside his enemies. He then spends the next two games not acting like that at all (iirc hes actually rather humble and compassionate in 06).

Him being an arrogant prick again now is character regression. And the idea of him only seeing his friends as hangers on to use when it suits him is doubly so.

"The difference between reality and fiction is that fiction has to make sense." - Tom Clancy, paraphrasing Mark Twain.
randomness4 S.M. from The Land of Inconvenience
S.M.
Sep 20th 2019 at 5:10:07 PM

Wha...?

He's not humble and compassionate in Nex Gen.

You can't describe him as anything other than stoic and level-headed.

(ART) Rules of the Internet 28: There will always be more fucked up shit than you have seen.
BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
Sep 20th 2019 at 8:40:30 PM

He was rather receptive of Rouge's words after they discovered what would happen in the future.

But as said, Shadow's arrogance was only really highlighted in Adventure 2, and that's when he was still a villain and genuinely thought Sonic was beneath him. When Sonic steps up as a Worthy Opponent, Shadow cuts the shit and tries taking him out.

Any time he boasts about being the "Ultimate Lifeform", it's not just him being arrogant, but generally as a form of intimidation against his opponents. Hell, he didn't even say it all that much until recently. He said it in his debut to Sonic, says to Eggman in the opening to Egg Fleet, and that's about all I can remember...so him suddenly constantly stating that is...strange.

It's like Shadow's meme personality in pop culture has become his actual personality now. Everyone mocked him for being "ow the edge", so Sega just decided to embrace it and turn him into that now.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
PhysicalStamina i can't be bothered to make any new avatars from why are the roads so damn wide Relationship Status: It's so nice to be turned on again
i can't be bothered to make any new avatars
Sep 20th 2019 at 9:28:27 PM

Isn't that Sega's approach to Sonic in general these days?

Like, I'm starting to wonder if they really have just given up on making people like this franchise anymore due to a lack of self-confidence and instead just laugh at it along with everyone else in a desperate attempt to gain some sort of good will. Like a variant of Heroic Self-Deprecation disguised as the usual comedic version.

It's kinda sad when you think about it.

randomness4 S.M. from The Land of Inconvenience
S.M.
Sep 20th 2019 at 10:08:33 PM

If nothing works, why bother, right?

Also, real self-awareness would be nice...

(ART) Rules of the Internet 28: There will always be more fucked up shit than you have seen.
erazor0707 The Unknown Unknown Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
The Unknown Unknown
Sep 20th 2019 at 10:21:12 PM

Selling the IP would work.

Copyright? Plz, I'm a troper.
PhysicalStamina i can't be bothered to make any new avatars from why are the roads so damn wide Relationship Status: It's so nice to be turned on again
i can't be bothered to make any new avatars
Sep 21st 2019 at 4:53:26 AM

But then it wouldn't be them making the franchise popular.

Also, it'd really depend on who they sold it to. Need I remind you how bad Sega is at business?

Edited by PhysicalStamina on Sep 21st 2019 at 7:53:58 AM

BlackYakuzu94 CHADhan Player. from Easy Coast/NY Relationship Status: Longing for my OTP
CHADhan Player.
Sep 21st 2019 at 5:41:03 AM

Sonic is cursed lol.

A lazy millennial who's good at what he does.
PhysicalStamina i can't be bothered to make any new avatars from why are the roads so damn wide Relationship Status: It's so nice to be turned on again
i can't be bothered to make any new avatars
Sep 21st 2019 at 8:31:22 AM

...yeah. Pretty much.

erazor0707 The Unknown Unknown Relationship Status: [TOP SECRET]
The Unknown Unknown
Sep 21st 2019 at 8:36:50 AM

And it's all Sega's fault.

I'm honestly kind of surprised Atlas is still afloat after the buyout.

Edited by erazor0707 on Sep 21st 2019 at 8:37:25 AM

Copyright? Plz, I'm a troper.
Zeromaeus Mighty No. 51345 from Neo Arcadia
Mighty No. 51345
Sep 21st 2019 at 8:48:25 AM

They probably kept Atlus's internal management more or less intact. Though I expect thstd change if they downshift their output.

I don't get SEGA anymore. They stopped pushing when they started as the company that pushed their way into the industry come hell or high water.

Mega Man fanatic extraordinaire
PhysicalStamina i can't be bothered to make any new avatars from why are the roads so damn wide Relationship Status: It's so nice to be turned on again
i can't be bothered to make any new avatars
Sep 21st 2019 at 10:54:36 AM

You can only fail so many times before you lose all drive to do what you were doing.

RodimusMinor Not actually a minor
Not actually a minor
Sep 21st 2019 at 7:45:49 PM

I've come to realize I don't like Sonic Mania, though in one of the rare instances where instead of hating it I recognize it's a good game that's just not to my tastes.

Which I realized that before buying it on Switch tho ._.


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