So the single prop is clear: 12 to 2 for a rename, and that's been stable for some time. Could we please have the alt-names
crowner swapped back in?
edited 17th Mar '11 1:39:22 AM by Camacan
Added Lottery Fu. I don't like Confusion Fu because it suggests to me something completely different than the trope implies — that the enemy tactic is to make you hit yourself, but that might be because of my more extensive experience with VG than with most other media. Lottery Fu IMO gets closer to the "you don't know what you're going to get" part. Also decided not to add my previous suggestion of Heisenberg Fu as it led to somewhere else in the sense of the trope as well, as one of the post corrected me.
Also, not complaining but when did someone suggest Schocastic Fu? It made me remember I never ever could actually understand the meaning of that word...
Fanfic Recs orwellianretcon'd: cutlocked for committee or for Google?This is a more like a Roulette than a lottery, so I added that as an option. Plus it can fit with names like Genre Roulette (so I'm not basing this on Xanatos Roulette, in case someone was wondering).
edited 18th Mar '11 2:02:44 PM by DragonQuestZ
I'm on the internet. My arguments are invalid.The point isn't that it's random. The point is that it's unpredictable. The user knows exactly what he's doing, it's just impossible for his opponent to make sense of it. If you go into Stance 1, you are simultaneously preparing for both Attack A and Attack B, but they don't know which one it is until you pull the trigger.
Aaah, that definitively doesn't sound like confusion to me. Then I think Roulette Fu is it for me. (Wish I had remembered that)
Slightly OT: from what I'm understanding from The Other Wiki, Stochastic Fu would mean something like "an attack may or may not come out". Wat.
edited 18th Mar '11 2:59:42 PM by SilentReverence
Fanfic Recs orwellianretcon'd: cutlocked for committee or for Google?The user knows exactly what he's doing, it's just impossible for his opponent to make sense of it. If you go into Stance 1, you are simultaneously preparing for both Attack A and Attack B, but they don't know which one it is until you pull the trigger.
If that's the case, then many examples would be inherently not of this trope. It would be really hard to pare this page down to the actual examples that fit that definition, and people would keep adding wrong examples all the time.
Under what we currently have, and our current definition, we need a new name so examples will at least be appropriate and fit what it sounds like.
You're laying way more meaning onto the definition than actually exists.
edited 18th Mar '11 10:42:25 PM by Elle
I don't think we're gonna get many more votes on this one. Confusion Fu leads at +4 to 0. I'll rename this one presently baring last minute objections.
I don't think we have a consensus. The ratio is weak and there aren't a lot of votes.
Two votes would tie the crowner. This trope has over 6k inbounds—it deserves more consideration than that. Frankly, I don't like any of the alternate names that have been proposed. I want to see a good name, not just the least crappy of a crappy bunch.
edited 23rd Mar '11 6:50:20 PM by troacctid
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We already had consensus to rename the trope. That's why we have different crowners for renaming choice, and alernative names. First, we decide whether or not the current title is broken on it's own, an if it is, we switch for whichever is the most popular option, even if it isn't exactly great either.
We probably do, but...
I for one held off on the rename because I've been thinking about what troacctid said about needing more consideration given the inbounds. I've got a new suggestion:
(Or Unpredicta-ra-te, or Unpredictakarate)
edited 30th Mar '11 12:34:48 AM by Camacan
I'd want at least a 2:1 ratio. Preferably with a high vote count as well.
I don't think the current leader in the crowner would solve issues of misuse. Schrödinger Fu is about unpredictability, not confusion. Yes, it leads to a confused opponent, but you can confuse your opponent with all sorts of unrelated tactics, like Doppelgänger Spin, Look, a Distraction!, Hit-and-Run Tactics, Illusions, and so on. Confusion Fu as a title sounds like it could include any fighting style designed to confuse the opponent.
I don't think it's possible to make a good pun or portmanteau using the title. Kung Predictable works as a portmanteau, but in precisely the wrong direction.
An Ear Worm is like a Rickroll: It is never going to give you up.
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With the single prop supporting renaming, we need a good name for Schrodinger Fu.

That's how I understood it, just wasn't sure whether it was still approved under the current standards, re burden of proof for renames.