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Name doesn't seem to fit the trope: Schrodinger Fu

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Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#51: Mar 9th 2011 at 1:38:22 PM

That's how I understood it, just wasn't sure whether it was still approved under the current standards, re burden of proof for renames.

Camacan from Australiatown Since: Jan, 2001
#52: Mar 17th 2011 at 1:37:05 AM

So the single prop is clear: 12 to 2 for a rename, and that's been stable for some time. Could we please have the alt-names crowner swapped back in?

edited 17th Mar '11 1:39:22 AM by Camacan

Morven Nemesis from Seattle, WA, USA Since: Jan, 2001
Nemesis
#53: Mar 17th 2011 at 1:45:47 AM

Alt-names crowner back in.

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SilentReverence adopting kitteh from 3 tiles right 1 tile up Since: Jan, 2010
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#54: Mar 18th 2011 at 1:38:11 PM

Added Lottery Fu. I don't like Confusion Fu because it suggests to me something completely different than the trope implies — that the enemy tactic is to make you hit yourself, but that might be because of my more extensive experience with VG than with most other media. Lottery Fu IMO gets closer to the "you don't know what you're going to get" part. Also decided not to add my previous suggestion of Heisenberg Fu as it led to somewhere else in the sense of the trope as well, as one of the post corrected me.

Also, not complaining but when did someone suggest Schocastic Fu? It made me remember I never ever could actually understand the meaning of that word...

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DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California Since: Jan, 2001
The Other Troper
#55: Mar 18th 2011 at 2:02:13 PM

This is a more like a Roulette than a lottery, so I added that as an option. Plus it can fit with names like Genre Roulette (so I'm not basing this on Xanatos Roulette, in case someone was wondering).

edited 18th Mar '11 2:02:44 PM by DragonQuestZ

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troacctid (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#56: Mar 18th 2011 at 2:07:53 PM

The point isn't that it's random. The point is that it's unpredictable. The user knows exactly what he's doing, it's just impossible for his opponent to make sense of it. If you go into Stance 1, you are simultaneously preparing for both Attack A and Attack B, but they don't know which one it is until you pull the trigger.

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#57: Mar 18th 2011 at 2:58:28 PM

Aaah, that definitively doesn't sound like confusion to me. Then I think Roulette Fu is it for me. (Wish I had remembered that)

Slightly OT: from what I'm understanding from The Other Wiki, Stochastic Fu would mean something like "an attack may or may not come out". Wat.

edited 18th Mar '11 2:59:42 PM by SilentReverence

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BonsaiForest Since: Jan, 2001
#58: Mar 18th 2011 at 4:13:28 PM

The user knows exactly what he's doing, it's just impossible for his opponent to make sense of it. If you go into Stance 1, you are simultaneously preparing for both Attack A and Attack B, but they don't know which one it is until you pull the trigger.

If that's the case, then many examples would be inherently not of this trope. It would be really hard to pare this page down to the actual examples that fit that definition, and people would keep adding wrong examples all the time.

Under what we currently have, and our current definition, we need a new name so examples will at least be appropriate and fit what it sounds like.

Elle Since: Jan, 2001
#59: Mar 18th 2011 at 10:41:26 PM

You're laying way more meaning onto the definition than actually exists.

Some fighters have speed. Others have strength. Others have a mix of the two — maybe even a Game Breakingly good mix. But some fighters have the one attribute that could be the hardest one to counter: unpredictability. In a broader sense than video game characters, Drunken Boxing is often related to this, the idea being that their attacks and motions become difficult to read and predict. However, that might be the only thing going for them: wild attacks and spastic movements don't hold up well when your opponent knows what they're doing.

edited 18th Mar '11 10:42:25 PM by Elle

Camacan from Australiatown Since: Jan, 2001
#60: Mar 23rd 2011 at 6:23:32 PM

I don't think we're gonna get many more votes on this one. Confusion Fu leads at +4 to 0. I'll rename this one presently baring last minute objections.

troacctid (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#61: Mar 23rd 2011 at 6:40:32 PM

I don't think we have a consensus. The ratio is weak and there aren't a lot of votes.

Two votes would tie the crowner. This trope has over 6k inbounds—it deserves more consideration than that. Frankly, I don't like any of the alternate names that have been proposed. I want to see a good name, not just the least crappy of a crappy bunch.

edited 23rd Mar '11 6:50:20 PM by troacctid

Camacan from Australiatown Since: Jan, 2001
#62: Mar 23rd 2011 at 6:56:31 PM

While not snappy — the title does convey much more information than the previous one and doesn't mislead. Sometimes it seems that only a limited number of people are interested in a rename and we just don't get many more votes.

EternalSeptember Since: Sep, 2010
#63: Mar 24th 2011 at 11:18:17 AM

[up][up] We already had consensus to rename the trope. That's why we have different crowners for renaming choice, and alernative names. First, we decide whether or not the current title is broken on it's own, an if it is, we switch for whichever is the most popular option, even if it isn't exactly great either.

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#64: Mar 29th 2011 at 10:39:52 PM

So do we have a good ratio?

Camacan from Australiatown Since: Jan, 2001
#65: Mar 30th 2011 at 12:29:32 AM

We probably do, but...

I for one held off on the rename because I've been thinking about what troacctid said about needing more consideration given the inbounds. I've got a new suggestion:

Unpredictarate

(Or Unpredicta-ra-te, or Unpredictakarate)

edited 30th Mar '11 12:34:48 AM by Camacan

troacctid (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#66: Mar 30th 2011 at 12:38:41 AM

I'd want at least a 2:1 ratio. Preferably with a high vote count as well.

I don't think the current leader in the crowner would solve issues of misuse. Schrödinger Fu is about unpredictability, not confusion. Yes, it leads to a confused opponent, but you can confuse your opponent with all sorts of unrelated tactics, like Doppelgänger Spin, Look, a Distraction!, Hit-and-Run Tactics, Illusions, and so on. Confusion Fu as a title sounds like it could include any fighting style designed to confuse the opponent.

Camacan from Australiatown Since: Jan, 2001
#67: Mar 30th 2011 at 3:23:29 AM

[up] Yeah I was worried about that too. Aren't I Mr Wishy-Washy? grin

ChaoticNovelist Since: Jun, 2010
#68: Apr 24th 2011 at 5:37:58 PM

My opponent's goal is to confuse me. If I am not confused by the unpredictablity, than there is no point. That's why I like Confusion Fu. Just because a trope has a lot of inbounds, links etc, doesn't mean that all of them are accurate.

DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California Since: Jan, 2001
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#69: Apr 24th 2011 at 7:27:12 PM

And redirects keep the inbounds.

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Stratadrake Dragon Writer Since: Oct, 2009
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#70: Apr 25th 2011 at 10:27:58 AM

I don't think it's possible to make a good pun or portmanteau using the title. Kung Predictable works as a portmanteau, but in precisely the wrong direction.

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DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California Since: Jan, 2001
The Other Troper
#71: Apr 25th 2011 at 2:04:16 PM

I think it's been long enough to call this.

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Camacan from Australiatown Since: Jan, 2001
#72: Apr 27th 2011 at 6:43:40 AM

Yup, +11 to 0 nearest, and it's been like that for a while now.

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AlternativeTitles: SchrodingerFu
20th Apr '10 12:00:00 AM

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With the single prop supporting renaming, we need a good name for Schrodinger Fu.

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