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VengefulBale Bishie Gijinka Meta Knight from Nowhere Since: Feb, 2016 Relationship Status: It's complicated
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#3076: Oct 17th 2024 at 11:23:56 AM

[up][up] Again, they love the theatrics. Shrek took less than a week to get to Fionna from Duloc, yet Charming took over a decade to get there and she was long gone by then, something even Harold points out when FG gets pissed at him

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Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
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#3077: Oct 17th 2024 at 11:26:30 AM

Wait, a decade... just how old is Charming supposed to be?

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Filip04 Since: Nov, 2023
#3078: Oct 17th 2024 at 11:27:52 AM

The scene in the chariot is comedy gold. First Charming tries dramatically callout Harold, but his mother stops him and does the same thing as him but angrier and calls Wolf "a sheepdog in women's rags" who told [[Charming]] that his princess had already given herself away. And then chariot stops and Harold is scared that Godmother's bodyguards want to beat him but then it turns out that they're at restaurant and Fairy Godmother yells at Harold it's end for her diet.[lol]

Edited by Filip04 on Oct 17th 2024 at 8:35:24 PM

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#3079: Oct 17th 2024 at 11:35:02 AM

[up] Yeah, it's hilarious that she resorts to guilting Harold about breaking her diet with the dramatic buildup of a Cold-Blooded Torture or You Have Failed Me execution

[up][up] It's an exaggeration on how Charming took until he became an adult, and Fionna had already been rescued by the actions of an impatient Lord Farquaad. Just a tell of how long the plan likely lasted

Edited by VengefulBale on Oct 17th 2024 at 1:35:56 PM

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Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
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#3080: Oct 17th 2024 at 11:35:39 AM

Actually, the bodyguards seem to think so too. They are already cracking their knuckles in preparation.

It's like the studio had a dare about just how far they could take this pretty dark mob reference.

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#3081: Oct 17th 2024 at 4:34:13 PM

The scene in the chariot is comedy gold. First Charming tries dramatically callout Harold, but his mother stops him and does the same thing as him but angrier and calls Wolf "a sheepdog in women's rags" who told [[Charming]] that his princess had already given herself away. And then chariot stops and Harold is scared that Godmother's bodyguards want to beat him but then it turns out that they're at restaurant and Fairy Godmother yells at Harold it's end for her diet.[lol]

I thought Fairy Godmother called Wolf a "gender-confused wolf"?

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#3082: Oct 17th 2024 at 5:31:23 PM

Nowadays, they censor that line on TV showings by just calling the Wolf "confused".

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#3083: Oct 17th 2024 at 5:54:41 PM

I watched Shrek 2 on an airplane recently, and IIRC the line was censored there as well.

Wonder if it’s a case of them making the change for all further prints of the movie (like them removing the Casting Couch gag from Toy Story 2's outtakes).

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#3084: Oct 17th 2024 at 6:42:25 PM

Definitely a recent censorship thing

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#3085: Oct 17th 2024 at 9:45:24 PM

Probably not that extensive, I saw the 20th anniversary theatrical rerelease this year and it still had the line. The only change made to the movie (and the first when it was rereleased) for the screening was adding the Universal logo in front of it.

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#3086: Oct 17th 2024 at 9:47:03 PM

I think its just most modern tv broadcasts and airline versions are famously censored too, The Simpsons commented on it.

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#3088: Oct 17th 2024 at 10:14:25 PM

You are a bigger expert, because I only watched my local dub, but they said "La version de las aerolines" the airline version. They didnt say they were censored but I doubt it would be similar to the normal version if they had to specify.

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#3089: Oct 18th 2024 at 2:40:59 AM

My DVD set is from before the fourth movie, so it's not censored, I'm pretty sure.

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#3090: Oct 18th 2024 at 4:53:46 AM

The DV Ds are are almost never censored and it would be weird if they were,its only necessary if it's been broadcasted

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#3091: Oct 18th 2024 at 5:11:11 AM

For me, Shrek 2 is an odd movie… and by its very nature an odd sequel, where the original movie was the dump film for DreamWorks at the time it was being developed, the film where the director and animators hit "fuck it" mode, where if they were making this film, at that point, screw it, they were going ham on what they wanted… though evidently, somehow the end product STILL had a considerable amount of heart to it, still had some funny gags, and still had that legendary Dragon's Keep escape scene, because with all those factors combined, what we got was the rare non-Disney animated film to win an Oscar.

…I honestly think they had the best attitude they could possibly have had, going into the sequel. They went from "fuck it" mode, to "…oh, shit, we actually have something special here…! FUCK, OKAY, HOLD ON, LET'S ACTUALLY TRY WITH THIS ONE!!!" So they decide to actually further examine how fairy tale stories tend to go, applying a sharper critical eye, ask uncomfortable questions on the strings being pulled behind the scenes, and continue being absolutely hilarious (and genuinely epic along the way), while also juxtaposing the fantasy of marrying the princess of a kingdom with the all too uncomfortable reality of having to deal with your newly wedded wife's parents.

Finally, I'm just going to say it: making Puss In Boots a Spaniard, instead of a Frenchman? That was a stroke of sheer brilliance, because he managed the seemingly impossible feat of slotting into Shrek and Donkey's dynamic, and does so seamlessly. And the movie is all the better for it.

Edited by Ego-Man25 on Oct 18th 2024 at 5:11:44 AM

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#3092: Oct 18th 2024 at 5:12:09 AM

I probably need to watch Shrek 2 again when they air on YTV or something to see if they censored the line there.

I don't think the line is that bad to be worth censoring, particularly since it's the Fairy Godmother saying it. Nowadays it better sets up the idea that she's a Politically Incorrect Villain who only cares about "beautiful" people being the only ones who deserve a happily ever after.

Now, the gag about everyone making fun of Pinocchio for wearing ladies' underwear, that's a gag that hasn't really aged that well. I'm not sure how you would edit around that gag though. Granted, my thoughts are that films should always have the original uncut version available to watch, but that's just my two thoughts.

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#3093: Oct 18th 2024 at 5:25:49 AM

I can see the underwear gag, and interpret the gag differently: Pinocchio is the one feeling the need to portray some aura of masculinity, making a big fuss over nothing really important. He could have just shrugged the women's underwear off, no big deal, and our heroes probably wouldn't have minded it too much… and yet he trapped himself inside a box. The underwear was apparently something to be ashamed of for himself.

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Redmess Redmess from Netherlands Since: Feb, 2014
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#3094: Oct 18th 2024 at 5:59:40 AM

[up][up][up] I totally agree, the second movie really elevates both the setting and the themes. The first movie, subversive as it wanted to be, still followed a fairly standard fairy tale plot, just switching elements around (the hero for the ogre, the lifting of the curse for accepting it, the princess for the monster girl), but the second one actually explores the deeper implications of these changes. That makes the second one much more interesting as an actual subversion of fairy tales.

[up] Some men enjoy being humiliated and feeling shame, and it is not hard reading Pinocchio that way here. It does seem a bit too adult, perhaps, but as noted before, this movie tends to treat child characters as much more adult than they really should be (see Hansel and Gretel's Love Shack).

I have to say, I feel a bit conflicted about Puss' appearance in this movie. His spinoff movies have succeeded so well in fleshing out his character and heightening his quirks that he comes off as comparatively flat and subdued here. Kind of a "Seinfeld" Is Unfunny for characters there.

It does feel odd how easily S Hrek beats him when he is supposed to be a renowned ogre slayer.

Edited by Redmess on Oct 18th 2024 at 3:00:15 PM

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#3095: Oct 18th 2024 at 6:03:22 AM

While on the subject of Shrek, I'd say the first one is the 21st century equivelent of Mel Brooks movies, especially for Blazing Saddles, given the skewring of popular genres and comtempirary pop culture references.

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#3096: Oct 18th 2024 at 7:38:08 AM

[up][up]Ehh I would say he was expanded on the movies, but he's so standard fare in the series.

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#3097: Oct 18th 2024 at 7:43:35 AM

I haven't seen the series, though.

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#3098: Oct 18th 2024 at 7:58:31 AM

He's a pretty bland character there. Also doesn't help that the movement is stiff.

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#3099: Oct 18th 2024 at 8:08:09 AM

Yeah. It's funny how sometimes characters leave a bigger impression in the mind than they actually do on screen.

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#3100: Oct 18th 2024 at 2:07:09 PM

On to Shrek the Third.

The movie does an impossible fake-out with Charming riding through a forest not actually being real. That's just movie editing shenanigans right there.

I don't get why Charming is doing dinner theatre in the first place. I mean, he's still a prince. He's presumably still rich and stuff. So... why is he there at all?

It's kinda weird that Rumpelstiltskin is here in such a minor role when he's the big bad of the fourth movie.

What a weird joke about how babies are made, with Donkey apparently not knowing how it's done, despite him being the one who has actual children.

King Arthur... in a high school? Man, I really forgot all about this movie. High school is a weird setting for a fairy tale, and King Arthur isn't a fairy tale. I guess he gets in because of Sword in the Stone, rather than any fairy tale connections.

It's also weird that they set up this whole high school, but Shrek can just take this kid away with no one having to be informed or anything. Shrek is basically kidnapping some school kid at this point.

Why would the students treat Donkey, who is a complete stranger, as a fellow student to be bullied? I guess it's Rule of Funny, but it doesn't really make much sense in universe. At least they dialled his annoyance factor down a notch.

How is Arthur even the heir of Far Far Away? Fiona being the daughter of the frog king is one thing, but this seems to be a bit of a stretch even for this setting.

Wait, who's "Beauty"? Do they mean sleeping beauty? They... do know she has an actual name, right? She's princess Aurora, not princess Beauty.

The baby shower raises a very interesting question: why don't the other princesses have children? I mean, this movie is obviously neither shy nor coy about the idea of princesses having sex or getting pregnant, so, why are they still childless? And before you start, they are princesses, which means they are supposed to get children. That's how royalty works, after all. Hey, that would be an interesting topic for subverting a fairy tale movie: the rather less romantic aspect of princesses needing to make babies to continue the bloodline, whether they like it or not.

Snow White is giving away a dwarf as a slave baby sitter. That's probably the darkest joke in the series yet.

Waaait wait wait... why are there Ents in the villain army? Ents aren't evil creatures at all.

Why is the "ugly stepsister" suddenly part of the princess posse? I guess she's supposed to be a spy, but it doesn't make sense that they seemingly accept her so readily as one of their own. She just drops in and everyone is fine with it. Also, she's named... Doris? Is that supposed to be Drizella? I guess they didn't like that name, either.

Why is there a statue of a horse's ass? This is a weird gag, even for this franchise.

It's funny that Pinocchio can twist the truth in such a way that it obscures the actual answer, but it doesn't really fit well with his previously established character, where he clearly couldn't do anything of the kind.

When Arthur tries to turn the ship around, Shrek grabs the wheel and... turns it the wrong way to correct course. It's really funny once you notice. grin

Arthur's crack about terrorizing a village just highlights how no one seems to be remotely scared of Shrek any more all of a sudden. Like, in the first movie, people panicked at the mere sight of him, but somewhere along the second one, everyone suddenly stopped caring about ogres being scary monsters, except when some racist joke is needed. And up until now, the movies have never really answered the question of whether or not that reputation is deserved.

Oh, right, so Shrek's dad tried to literally eat him. So, ogres really are that monstrous in this setting. Which makes the whole racism against ogres messaging a bit messy all of a sudden. When will movies learn that racism messages don't really work when the group being persecuted are actually monstrous?

"But after a while, you learn to ignore the names people call you and you just trust who you are." Name calling? Has this movie forgotten its own setting? Shrek got hunted by mobs wielding torches and pitch forks, who wanted to kill him. Regularly. Shrek makes it sound like people were hissing insults behind his back in the supermarket, not organizing hunting parties against him and putting out huge rewards for his death. This right here is the moment where the series loses any sense of how they want to treat Shrek's status as a fairy tale monster.

It's also kind of hard to play off Shrek as some poor victim of bigotry, when the start of the first movie showed that Shrek was perfectly happy with his reputation, very much in control of the situation when he encountered angry mobs, and content to use his reputation to chase people off and live a quiet, solitary life. If anything, he was all to happy to play the bully himself when it suited him. How Shrek talks about being persecuted in this scene is completely at odds with his way of life before the events of the first movie.

Why... why is someone carrying a loose dragon head through the town?

Artie putting on the waterworks for Merlin is the best joke of this movie, honestly. Especially considering that kind of watery theatrics is usually reserved for girls.

Really, a Freaky Friday flip? Sure... why not?

Man, I get why Puss is in this movie, people wanted him back after the last one, but they really didn't give him a lot to do here.

Shy is Shrek suddenly calling Artie a fool? Why is he suddenly just brushing him off and acting like a jerk? This feels like a forced third act conflict. And why does Charming just let the kid go? He's still a threat to his claim to the throne, after all.

Shrek also gets some serious badass decay here. In the first two movies he was perfectly capable of taking on entire groups of armed knights and kicking their asses easily, but here he is all of a sudden completely powerless when a few guys with pikes show up.

Queen Lilian can headbutt through solid stone walls? What the actual fuck? Where did that come from? grin

Really, burning a bra? Is that supposed to be feminist symbolism? Do the writers know that bra burning is not a thing actual feminists actually did? That's actually anti-feminist propaganda. Man, knowing that actually makes this moment unintentionally hilarious. grin

Also, it's kinda weird that these prissy, fussy girls who were just now perfectly willing to just play the damsel waiting to be rescued suddenly turn into brave and capable fighters without so much as a rousing speech or anything. It's like their characters did a complete 180 without any justification whatsoever. Like, I get the subversion, and it's cool and all, but the movie does zero work to make the transition believable. They are helpless maidens one moment, and liberated, bra burning badasses the next.

While the attack scene is cool and all, it's mildly confusing that they start in on one song, and then just suddenly switch it out for another. Pick a lane, guys.

Why do the pigs mistake Artie for a girl? He doesn't look like a girl, and no one else has been confused about his gender, so this comes out of nowhere. Seems like just another needless trans joke.

"Easy for you to say. You're not some evil enchanted tree." Ents are not evil enchanted trees! grin

Holy shit! The heroes just murdered Charming! And I do mean murder. Shrek pushes Charming in the path of the tower, and the dragon just topples it over on top of him, and he gets smashed. That's not, like, accidentally offing the villain or anything like in the last movie, that's just straight up murder. That's brutal!

And it's not like they had to. They beat him. They could have just arrested him right then and there. But nope, they just straight up execute the fucker.

Wow Dreamworks. Just, wow.

And no, he doesn't come back in the credits or anything. He dead. At least as far as this movie goes.

Speaking of, there isn't a credits scene, period. Feels weird.

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