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DerelictVessel Flying Dutchman from the Ocean Blue Since: May, 2012
Flying Dutchman
#1701: Jun 7th 2012 at 8:09:41 AM

In baseball, they call this "providing locker-room quotes." Keep them coming, and the Pinkertons might just make a comeback in WI (I'm hoping to snag an internship).

While I have no idea what the baseball reference is or how it relates to the Pinkertons, you do realize they still exist (albeit as a modern PMC; how fitting), right?

"Can ye fathom the ocean, dark and deep, where the mighty waves and the grandeur sweep?"
Jhimmibhob Since: Dec, 2010
#1702: Jun 7th 2012 at 8:16:37 AM

I do—believe some European corporation owns them as a subsidiary now. Their glory days are a bit behind them now, but hey, stranger comebacks have happened.

DerelictVessel Flying Dutchman from the Ocean Blue Since: May, 2012
Flying Dutchman
#1703: Jun 7th 2012 at 8:18:15 AM

I daresay that more glamorous mercenaries would take over for the Pinkertons if strikebreaking by force came back into vogue. They're rather dated. Something more along the lines of Blackwater is what I imagine them using today. Skip the subtlety; reach for the attack helicopters.

"Can ye fathom the ocean, dark and deep, where the mighty waves and the grandeur sweep?"
Jhimmibhob Since: Dec, 2010
#1704: Jun 7th 2012 at 8:32:58 AM

God bless technology. Though I'm not about to fault the Pinkertons for doing what they could with what they had.

TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#1705: Jun 7th 2012 at 8:52:30 AM

... What are you talking about? Both of you stay on-topic.

As for the "a democracy that works," on the one hand, this is one of those Empirically verifiable positions must be empirically tested scenarios. On the other hand, the consequences off DOWN WITH THE UNIONS are pretty vast and not very localized.

What are the kinds of empirical effects we can expect to see? Well, wage stagnation for one. But we already have wage stagnation, so it'll be hard to prove that we're having more wage stagnation than we otherwise would have had. Thus, with neither side being able to decisively prove anything (on this particular issue), neither side will be forced to change their opinion, even if things go rather poorly.

DerelictVessel Flying Dutchman from the Ocean Blue Since: May, 2012
Flying Dutchman
#1706: Jun 7th 2012 at 9:13:58 AM

Wage stagnation is a demonstrable cause of union destruction because they've already destroyed most of the unions, and hence, at least in part because of that (and in part because of deregulation), wages have stagnated or fallen in real terms.

... What are you talking about?

Have you never heard of the Pinkerton private detective agency? They're rather famous, if antique and no longer culturally relevant.

"Can ye fathom the ocean, dark and deep, where the mighty waves and the grandeur sweep?"
TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#1707: Jun 7th 2012 at 9:15:40 AM

Okay, let me rephrase that: why is this an appropriate topic of conversation in OTC for this thread?

DerelictVessel Flying Dutchman from the Ocean Blue Since: May, 2012
Flying Dutchman
#1708: Jun 7th 2012 at 9:19:35 AM

To be honest, I don't think this really is a viable discussion anymore, now that the recall is done and over with. We'd probably be better off with a thread on unions instead, for topics relating to what brought about the recall to begin with.

"Can ye fathom the ocean, dark and deep, where the mighty waves and the grandeur sweep?"
TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#1709: Jun 7th 2012 at 9:20:55 AM

Works for me.

Though, it denies Jhimmibob the chance to gloat at our collective failures if we don't have this thread open ;D

edited 7th Jun '12 9:21:21 AM by TheyCallMeTomu

DerelictVessel Flying Dutchman from the Ocean Blue Since: May, 2012
Flying Dutchman
#1710: Jun 7th 2012 at 9:26:09 AM

S/he can always brag on Facebook with the rest of them.

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TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#1711: Jun 7th 2012 at 9:34:46 AM

I don't bother using Facebook.

Linhasxoc Since: Jun, 2009
#1712: Jun 7th 2012 at 10:40:59 AM

Should we holler for a lock then?

TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Enkufka Wandering Student ಠ_ಠ from Bay of White fish Since: Dec, 2009
Wandering Student ಠ_ಠ
#1714: Jun 7th 2012 at 10:49:28 AM

I'd prefer it stay open, since there's still an ongoing investigation into the governor.

Very big Daydream Believer. "That's not knowledge, that's a crapshoot!" -Al Murray "Welcome to QI" -Stephen Fry
TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Jhimmibhob Since: Dec, 2010
#1716: Jun 7th 2012 at 10:57:54 AM

Though, it denies Jhimmibob the chance to gloat at our collective failures if we don't have this thread open ;D

You see? Tomu actually cares about people. Why can't you be more like him, DV?

TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#1717: Jun 7th 2012 at 10:59:53 AM

Okay, that will be quite enough of that.

Jhimmibhob Since: Dec, 2010
#1718: Jun 7th 2012 at 11:01:03 AM

Sorry, Tomu; just jesting—and not unaffectionately.

TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#1719: Jun 7th 2012 at 11:03:29 AM

I'm aware, though we're probably all about to be thumped into non-existence for being off-topic, especially since there's concerns of whether the thread is really still valid.

We do need a Wisconsin Gov thread (well "need" might be a strong term), but it's no longer about the recall, and now more about his policies, and whether or not there are really any corruption charges and the like.

DerelictVessel Flying Dutchman from the Ocean Blue Since: May, 2012
Flying Dutchman
#1720: Jun 7th 2012 at 11:11:14 AM

You see? Tomu actually cares about people. Why can't you be more like him, DV?

I do too care. I mean, I could ask right now if you remembered to dust your evil 1880s capitalist monocle and tophat. Sharp dress is necessary for oppressing the masses, remember. And those Pinkertons aren't going to take contracts from any wanna-be captain of industry off the street. You have to look the part!

...I think we should probably start a new "Wisconsin Governor does stuff" thread from scratch and close this one, myself.

"Can ye fathom the ocean, dark and deep, where the mighty waves and the grandeur sweep?"
RadicalTaoist scratching at .8, just hopin' from the #GUniverse Since: Jan, 2001
scratching at .8, just hopin'
#1721: Jun 7th 2012 at 11:15:18 AM

So thread for Walker and a second thread for general union busting discussion?

Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.
DerelictVessel Flying Dutchman from the Ocean Blue Since: May, 2012
Flying Dutchman
#1722: Jun 7th 2012 at 11:30:59 AM

That would work. I can write the Walker OP, if you'd like. I don't feel knowledgeable on the specific functions and history of unions in the US.

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GlennMagusHarvey Since: Jan, 2001
#1723: Jun 7th 2012 at 11:50:10 AM

We could keep this thread open for Walker himself, actually.

TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#1724: Jun 7th 2012 at 11:53:37 AM

You can rename the thread name via Mod assistance.

DerelictVessel Flying Dutchman from the Ocean Blue Since: May, 2012
Flying Dutchman
#1725: Jun 7th 2012 at 11:54:36 AM

...I didn't mean to start that thread yet. I blame the tab key.

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