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jewelleddragon Also known as Katz from Pasadena, CA Since: Apr, 2009
Also known as Katz
#26: Feb 17th 2011 at 10:32:57 PM

We have a reversed microcosm of what was happening in Congress before Christmas.

Linhasxoc Since: Jun, 2009
#27: Feb 18th 2011 at 6:37:33 AM

Well, it apparently gets better. Supposedly Wisconsin's CBO equivalent had said that Wisconsin was on track to have a budget surplus... until Walker gave a bunch of tax breaks to big business. And the unions immune to the "union-busting"? They're the unions that supported Walker's election bid.

edited 18th Feb '11 7:33:05 AM by Linhasxoc

Enkufka Wandering Student ಠ_ಠ from Bay of White fish Since: Dec, 2009
Wandering Student ಠ_ಠ
#28: Feb 18th 2011 at 10:11:03 PM

I've been following this lately, and the thing about this bill is not only that its Walker's fault that we have a deficit now, but also that he tried to rush the bill so that no one could stop the bill.

While the unions are powerful, that's been a good thing in the past. This budget would remove the rights to bargain anything besides the wages, which aren't bargained nearly as much as benefits and working conditions, and further aren't increased nearly as well as the opposition would have people believe.

Further, a minority of protesters in Egypt have sent pictures of support. Talk about a weird world.

Lastly, as a side note, and feel free to disregard, Sarah Palin is supposed to come to the counter-protest, and as such begs the question: Why do people still pay attention to her? GAAAAAAHHHH!!!!!!!!

Very big Daydream Believer. "That's not knowledge, that's a crapshoot!" -Al Murray "Welcome to QI" -Stephen Fry
Pentadragon Since: Jan, 2001
#29: Feb 19th 2011 at 12:59:23 PM

Oh wow.

edited 19th Feb '11 12:59:36 PM by Pentadragon

RadicalTaoist scratching at .8, just hopin' from the #GUniverse Since: Jan, 2001
TuefelHundenIV Night Clerk of the Apocalypse from Doomsday Facility Corner Store. Since: Aug, 2009 Relationship Status: I'd need a PowerPoint presentation
Night Clerk of the Apocalypse
#31: Feb 19th 2011 at 3:19:49 PM

What is the vid? Filtered out for me at work.

edited 19th Feb '11 3:19:59 PM by TuefelHundenIV

Who watches the watchmen?
FrodoGoofballCoTV from Colorado, USA Since: Jan, 2001
#32: Feb 19th 2011 at 3:47:51 PM

[up]The guy with the micropone goes on a huge rant, another guy interrupts him to tell the people in the gallery to stop cheering and actually listen, then he goes on, but his point is, Wisconsin Republicans have adapted voting procedures that do not properly respect their fellow lawmakers. For example, he found out about what they were doing on the radio before he'd been notified.

Thorn14 Gunpla is amazing! Since: Aug, 2010
Gunpla is amazing!
#33: Feb 19th 2011 at 3:55:32 PM

[up] Just another example of the sideshow american politics have become...

RadicalTaoist scratching at .8, just hopin' from the #GUniverse Since: Jan, 2001
scratching at .8, just hopin'
#34: Feb 19th 2011 at 4:08:03 PM

I wonder what effect the spread of this image will have on popular opinion, if any.

edited 19th Feb '11 4:12:21 PM by RadicalTaoist

Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.
Pentadragon Since: Jan, 2001
#35: Feb 19th 2011 at 4:11:04 PM

^ I am getting a 404 Error message.

deathjavu This foreboding is fa... from The internet, obviously Since: Feb, 2010
This foreboding is fa...
#36: Feb 19th 2011 at 4:11:38 PM

I live in Wisconsin, and I have yet to speak to a person who both a) knows what the bill entails, and b) still supports it in total. Of course, that's on a college campus, but still...

And then I saw that video about how there was almost no chance given for the democrats to find out about the bill before hand, and suddenly it makes sense. Trying to sneak in something unpopular under the radar.

[up][up] That link is busted.

edited 19th Feb '11 4:11:48 PM by deathjavu

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Deboss I see the Awesomeness. from Awesomeville Texas Since: Aug, 2009
EnglishIvy Since: Aug, 2011
#39: Feb 19th 2011 at 4:18:16 PM

@deathjavu: But it makes Republicans happy, which is what's important.

Linhasxoc Since: Jun, 2009
#40: Feb 19th 2011 at 9:50:51 PM

Come to think of it, what happens to schools during a government shutdown? Most schools as I understand it are administrated on a city or county level, but could a state-level shutdown affect them enough to force them to close?

OurGLORIOUSLeader Since: Dec, 1969
#41: Feb 20th 2011 at 8:46:14 AM

I think that the schools will peter out, but much slower than directly funded things such as public transport and/or social services. It's helpful that, Wisconsin being a very agricultural state, many smaller, isolated towns have learned to work on their own, so out there it won't be too bad.

Now, in the cities on the other hand, it's going to get worse. And I call that at least one (1) pundit on either side of the issue is eventually going to say something along the lines of "It's going to end up like Arizona all over again!" and then be accused of fear-mongering.

GlennMagusHarvey Since: Jan, 2001
#42: Feb 22nd 2011 at 10:41:42 AM

"Mubarak, Ben Ali, now it's time for Seyyed Ali Scott Walker"?

Hmm, doesn't have the same ring to it. :P

ON TOPIC:

I hear that the unions have said, repeatedly, that they're willing to make concessions about pay and benefits, but Walker just insists on crapping on collective bargaining rights.

Heck, even some Republicans have suggested, take away collective bargaining rights but only do it temporarily, and Walker has rejected the idea.

I wonder what would happen if a State Senate Republican switch parties just so that they would technically have two parties represented. What's preventing this shenanigan from happening?

edited 22nd Feb '11 10:44:29 AM by GlennMagusHarvey

Linhasxoc Since: Jun, 2009
#43: Feb 22nd 2011 at 12:03:33 PM

I suspect if they tried that the Dems would say it didn't count because they didn't allow him/her in.

GlennMagusHarvey Since: Jan, 2001
#44: Feb 22nd 2011 at 6:05:32 PM

Someone at Swing State Project uses Wild Mass Guessing on this whole situation.

The Dems have told Walker, eliminate the collective bargaining nonsense and we'll accept the pay cuts for a deficit you created through tax cuts. A post on DK pointed something interesting and that's in the six days the bill was introduced and about to be voted on, the Cf G had ads ready to go on day one.

Shit, now I'm really going to get all Glenn Beck conspiracy theory; but I wouldn't doubt for a second that this is a very coordinated effort by Koch, Cf G, et all to crush the Dems main source of money to counter the GOP's big spending corporations. I guess the difference is that mine is plausible and is something intelligent people would do. IIRC, Rove had a specialty in fundraising in TX. (I remember very, very vague info on it and here's one stab at it; he worked hard to get a GOP SCOTX majority so they could change campaign finance laws and oil companies could donate unlimitedly to the GOP?)

(my emphasis)

Now I do know that there's a bit of dislike between Rove's American Crossroads group and the Kochs' tea party astroturfing, but they don't seem to be the type to fight over that with such a great strategic opportunity nearby.

Note that Tea Party officials from at least one of the two major Tea Party organizations have been busing in pro-Walker counter-protesters.

FYI for those not in the know:

  • Karl Rove is a veteran Republican political strategist, most famous for running George W. Bush's campaigns. He currently leads a conservative political group called American Crossroads.
  • The Koch Brothers, Charles and David, are two (very) wealthy businessmen who are active in conservative politics in the United States. Their fortune comes mainly from their company, Koch Industries, which is involved in the oil, chemicals, and other industries. They, along with their father, have long been involved in conservative politics, with their father doing something with the John Birch Society, I think. One of the two brothers is the second-richest person in the USA, IIRC. Their funding has been instrumental in helping the "tea party" movement get going and gain traction.

edited 22nd Feb '11 6:15:41 PM by GlennMagusHarvey

storyyeller More like giant cherries from Appleloosa Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: RelationshipOutOfBoundsException: 1
More like giant cherries
#45: Feb 22nd 2011 at 7:00:17 PM

I wonder what would happen if a State Senate Republican switch parties just so that they would technically have two parties represented. What's preventing this shenanigan from happening?

It wouldn't work, because the rule is not both parties. The requirement is three fifths, (or 20 out of 33). But there are only 19 Republicans.

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Swish Long Live the King Since: Jan, 2001
Long Live the King
#47: Feb 22nd 2011 at 7:30:24 PM

[up][up] For state budget votes.

Laws and statues only require a majority in Wisconsin. With the Democrats gone, the Republicans of Wisconsin can pass anything and everything they wanted that didn't involve the state budget.

GlennMagusHarvey Since: Jan, 2001
#48: Feb 22nd 2011 at 7:33:38 PM

^^ Well, looks like we'll just have to have more wording shenanigans.

Chalkos Sidequest Proliferator from The Internets Since: Oct, 2010
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#49: Feb 22nd 2011 at 7:34:33 PM

Can't the bill requiring the 2/3rds majority just be overturned by a simple majority anyway? O_o

Pentadragon Since: Jan, 2001
#50: Feb 22nd 2011 at 7:38:13 PM

How can he sign the bill into law if the state legislature cannot reach quorum? Was the bill voted upon before this whole incident?


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