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Linhasxoc Since: Jun, 2009
#426: Apr 14th 2011 at 6:59:50 PM

Good for him? I'm kinda curious how a former Packer running for office would go over in Green Bay, considering how big the Pack is here.

ninjaclown Since: May, 2009
#427: Apr 14th 2011 at 9:48:41 PM

Thread hop...Pardon me if this has already been answered, but is there anyway to kick Walker out of the governor position?

blueharp Since: Dec, 1969
#428: Apr 14th 2011 at 9:52:57 PM

Well, there is a recall option after he's held office for a year, and then there's impeachment or indictment.

Enkufka Wandering Student ಠ_ಠ from Bay of White fish Since: Dec, 2009
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#429: Apr 14th 2011 at 9:54:42 PM

It is possible to have him impeached, since he's literally held public jobs hostage, which is a big no-no.

Very big Daydream Believer. "That's not knowledge, that's a crapshoot!" -Al Murray "Welcome to QI" -Stephen Fry
Midgetsnowman Since: Jan, 2010
#430: Apr 14th 2011 at 10:44:32 PM

Course thats supposing the largely republican state senate vote to impeach, wouldnt it?

edited 14th Apr '11 10:44:40 PM by Midgetsnowman

Enkufka Wandering Student ಠ_ಠ from Bay of White fish Since: Dec, 2009
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#431: Apr 14th 2011 at 10:48:20 PM

It might change after the recall elections, which looks like that's going to happen soon.

Very big Daydream Believer. "That's not knowledge, that's a crapshoot!" -Al Murray "Welcome to QI" -Stephen Fry
GlennMagusHarvey Since: Jan, 2001
#432: Apr 15th 2011 at 1:39:21 PM

Start circulating some recall petitions against Republican State Assembly members.

GlennMagusHarvey Since: Jan, 2001
#433: Apr 17th 2011 at 10:08:23 AM

Prosser certified as winner of supreme court race by margin of 7319 votes. Which is within 0.5% (it's like 0.488% or something; it's on the page linked), meaning Kloppenburg can request a recount at no cost to her campaign—though a recount is highly unlikely to change a margin that big.

That said, how about this:

Every one of you, find 8 people from Wisconsin you know, or people from Wisconsin who know people you know, and make sure that they're aware of what's going on, and figure out what state senate districts they from. If they're in an even-numbered state senate district, chances are they WILL have a recall election—which means that people have collected signatures for a recall petition, which then allows an election to take place.

Remind them to vote for the Democrat.

(This is important because some Dems are being recalled along with most of the Repubs. It can be confusing, but we've got to identify our targets correctly.)

In other news, I am going to try to find Louie W to go bug.

Karkadinn Karkadinn from New Orleans, Louisiana Since: Jul, 2009
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#434: Apr 17th 2011 at 10:12:35 AM

Rather interested in hearing any further Kathy Nickolaus developments. Even if the votes turn out to 'count,' she should still probably fired, given the enormity of the screwup combined with her past history.

Furthermore, I think Guantanamo must be destroyed.
GlennMagusHarvey Since: Jan, 2001
#435: Apr 17th 2011 at 10:17:22 AM

Let me know if you find Louie first.

And if possible, just show him this thread.

thespacephantom Jamais vu from the smallest church in Saint-Saëns Since: Oct, 2009
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#436: Apr 17th 2011 at 12:06:19 PM

You know, it's funny. I'm a Wisconsin troper, and I don't give a crap about this.

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ninjaclown Since: May, 2009
#437: Apr 17th 2011 at 12:09:11 PM

Why do people think they're so cool to pop in to say "look at me, I'm sooo cool because I don't care about what you guys are talking about in this thread lol". I think it's completely sad that I care more about this topic even though I don't live in Wisconsin or the United States in general.

Enkufka Wandering Student ಠ_ಠ from Bay of White fish Since: Dec, 2009
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#438: Apr 17th 2011 at 12:11:47 PM

You likely should care, considering that the person who was voted into office is a lying dictator who is now screwing the state over in an attempt to curry favour with the billionaires who paid for his campaign.

Very big Daydream Believer. "That's not knowledge, that's a crapshoot!" -Al Murray "Welcome to QI" -Stephen Fry
EnglishIvy Since: Aug, 2011
deathjavu This foreboding is fa... from The internet, obviously Since: Feb, 2010
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#440: Apr 17th 2011 at 4:45:38 PM

S/He should care because it affects him/her, in a lot of ways they probably do not realize.

If you're too lazy or stupid to care about things that affect you to such a degree, you are the problem.

Look, you can't make me speak in a logical, coherent, intelligent bananna.
TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#441: Apr 17th 2011 at 4:48:43 PM

I think that deciding to call the apathetic part of the problem is part of what makes them apathetic. People don't know what to think about politics, and whenever anyone tries to convince them, they're just met with a barrage of insults and lies. People tend to tune it out because they have no choice but to tune them out.

If Democrats want to get the Silent (and apathetic) majority on their side, they have to find a way to convince people that the cause is important and that they're not distorting the truth. It's gotten to the point where political facts are often perceived as inscrutable.

deathjavu This foreboding is fa... from The internet, obviously Since: Feb, 2010
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#442: Apr 17th 2011 at 5:01:56 PM

Much as I hate to contradict you, that has not been my experience with apathy or the apathetic.

My experience has been that they do not want to know what is happening. (Lest they start to care, perhaps? I know it is/was that way for me sometimes.)

I wouldn't insult them until it becomes clear they just don't even want to know what is happening, and honestly if that's not a basis for insulting someone I don't think anything is. Burying your head in the sand is about as productive as blowing your head off.

Look, you can't make me speak in a logical, coherent, intelligent bananna.
TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#443: Apr 17th 2011 at 5:03:18 PM

As a Right to die activist, I can't exactly agree with that analogy.

Besides, it's bullshit to begin with. Each political party has to garner more votes and hope that their opponents party garners less. If you "Bury your head in the sand" then that sends a message to the parties about what causes voters to become apathetic. The parties then try and do what they can to counter-or, usually in the case of Republicans, promote-that apathy. That's sending politicians a message.

I generally don't think it's the best thing to do, but it's not like it doesn't have its own positive side effects.

edited 17th Apr '11 5:04:44 PM by TheyCallMeTomu

deathjavu This foreboding is fa... from The internet, obviously Since: Feb, 2010
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#444: Apr 17th 2011 at 5:13:08 PM

Yeah, that wasn't the best analogy. Given how much we consume apiece in the first world...okay, dropping that one now.

Burying ones head in the sand is not the same as choosing to abstain after careful study. Burying ones head in the sand is a metaphor for refusing outright to gain an educated stance on an issue.

I can't think of a situation where refusing to learn or listen on a given issue is superior to the alternative.

edited 17th Apr '11 5:14:36 PM by deathjavu

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TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#445: Apr 17th 2011 at 5:14:52 PM

That's all well and good, but again, it means that those with the incentive to get non-voters to vote then have to go to extra efforts to get people to unbury their heads-

-unless they decide it's just not worth the effort. And at that level, having one's head in the sand really is the same as just refusing to participate. People only have so much empathy to give. I can't care about starving children in Africa AND baby pandas. I'm only human!

GlennMagusHarvey Since: Jan, 2001
#446: Apr 17th 2011 at 5:20:11 PM

^ It's called the "Finite Pool of Worry". You can only make people worry about so much before they just tell you to STFU.

I think that deciding to call the apathetic part of the problem is part of what makes them apathetic. People don't know what to think about politics, and whenever anyone tries to convince them, they're just met with a barrage of insults and lies. People tend to tune it out because they have no choice but to tune them out.

This.

So very this.

deathjavu This foreboding is fa... from The internet, obviously Since: Feb, 2010
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#447: Apr 17th 2011 at 5:34:50 PM

First off, it's not like politics is special in regards to hearing lies all the time. They're everywhere, most people just don't realize it.

Secondly, it's not like I advocated insulting people who don't know about an issue yet, but express a desire to learn. We were all that person on every subject we know about, once. (This seems to be what your metaphor is about, unless I misunderstood.)

Thirdly, they do in fact have a choice-learn for themselves. There is nothing stopping them from this course, other than laziness.

And yes, there's only so much effort that people can give.

I will bet you money most people are nowhere near that limit. And it's not like the limit is a fixed line in the sand, either-it can be moved, over time.

But all that is besides the point anyways. Because we're not even talking about caring, we're talking about learnin'. If you look into it, and still don't care-fine, well and good.

But refusing to look into something is, for lack of a better descriptor, not a good thing.

edited 17th Apr '11 5:36:34 PM by deathjavu

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TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#448: Apr 17th 2011 at 5:35:29 PM

Opportunity cost of taking an interest in and learning about the world. You may not like what you're going to find out. Do you take the red pill, or the blue pill?

Wait, the colors of the pills don't work in this context...

edited 17th Apr '11 5:36:14 PM by TheyCallMeTomu

deathjavu This foreboding is fa... from The internet, obviously Since: Feb, 2010
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#449: Apr 17th 2011 at 5:41:11 PM

You may not like what you're going to find out.

But does that change anything about the reality of the situation?

I've heard the argument that ignorance is bliss before, but that really only applies in the kind of sheltered world that middle to upper class childhood can provide.

At some point one has to grow up, or real life eats them.

Or we all take the ignorance route, and society collapses.

Look, you can't make me speak in a logical, coherent, intelligent bananna.
TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#450: Apr 17th 2011 at 5:45:04 PM

On the micro level, information is only valuable as it pertains to a meaningful ability to make decisions. Meanwhile, being aware of oncoming tragedy comes with it a mental cost in the form of despair (Insert Sayonara Zetsubou Sensei references as needed). Ergo, people will tend to isolate themselves from receiving knowledge that they cannot make meaningful decisions about in order to avoid despair. It doesn't change the fact that there are problems, but compared to being aware of the problem and unable to do anything about it, and being unaware of the problem, yeah-being unaware is the optimum solution.

Of course, you can present it as a false dichotomy-by saying that there are things that CAN be done about it, but then, don't you have that obligation? People don't want to feel overwhelmed, so make sure everything is presented in a light that's not overwhelming. When you have the Democrats having basically wasted their both houses+President powers and then having lost that in 2010, it's easy for would-be liberals to instead become overwhelmed and feel like there's nothing that can be done. Retreating isn't a bad outcome if that's the case.


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