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suedenim Teutonic Tomboy T-Girl from Jet Dream HQ Since: Oct, 2009
Teutonic Tomboy T-Girl
#51: Feb 13th 2011 at 12:30:23 PM

And disliking the form is not a reason not to use it, especially when one presents no proof that the rest of the images illustrate the trope, or are necessary to do so.

I'll be stubborn and obstinate on this, since people are always stubborn and obstinate on the other side. Let's see what results from a crowner, but I won't be bullied into a false consensus.

Jet-a-Reeno!
DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California Since: Jan, 2001
The Other Troper
#52: Feb 13th 2011 at 1:15:27 PM

Or you could, you know, defend your opinion. That gets a lot more results than stubbornness. I know that personally. Plus it's what I was basically asking in that comment you quoted.

That is unless you don't have one, in which case just admit it instead of making yourself look silly.

I'm on the internet. My arguments are invalid.
shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#53: Feb 13th 2011 at 1:17:52 PM

Fine, Catelogue's version is overly brightened and the composition draws your eye to the gaping whitespace behind Batman instead of what the image is supposed to focus on.

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
suedenim Teutonic Tomboy T-Girl from Jet Dream HQ Since: Oct, 2009
Teutonic Tomboy T-Girl
#54: Feb 13th 2011 at 1:32:05 PM

Basically, I see preserving the original composition as something desirable in and of itself, so long as there's no other consideration that makes cropping necessary.

We actually do run into such necessity quite often in Image Pickin' (as noted, most commonly to preserve the legibility of a 350-pixel max image), but this isn't one of those cases.

edited 13th Feb '11 1:32:23 PM by suedenim

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INUH Since: Jul, 2009
#55: Feb 13th 2011 at 1:34:15 PM

Not sure about the crop. Both arguments have points. Cropped=bigger=clearer, but preserving the composition helps show that the latter is a direct reference to the former, which makes the image even better.

Infinite Tree: an experimental story
SeanMurrayI Since: Jan, 2010
#56: Feb 13th 2011 at 1:39:52 PM

but preserving the composition helps show that the latter is a direct reference to the former, which makes the image even better.

I don't get this. We don't need to establish that one picture is is a direct reference to the other  *

for the cropped images to work. Why does this even matter?

They just have to look alike and show a working comparison between one bloody and one non-bloody picture, which Catalogue's cut does extraordinarily well and efficiently at that.

edited 13th Feb '11 1:43:46 PM by SeanMurrayI

INUH Since: Jul, 2009
#57: Feb 13th 2011 at 1:44:16 PM

It helps because it shows that the latter image is a Bloodier and Gorier image of the first frame, not merely of the general situation. It's not a requirement. It's just an improvement.

Infinite Tree: an experimental story
SeanMurrayI Since: Jan, 2010
#58: Feb 13th 2011 at 1:46:12 PM

And Catalogue's cut does the exact same thing and with less filler material.

suedenim Teutonic Tomboy T-Girl from Jet Dream HQ Since: Oct, 2009
Teutonic Tomboy T-Girl
#59: Feb 13th 2011 at 1:49:04 PM

Well, these two images work better than comparing the Silver Age Batman to the modern Green Lantern image I posted way uptopic, no? They're both DC comic books, so what would the problem be?

Obviously, comparing two Batman images from different eras, with the same "dead" character, is better than comparing unrelated characters. And the more other similarities, the better.

But my main concern, not to get too pretentious (especially since I have no qualms about mangling the art when necessary for troping purposes), is "respecting the art." Artists compose images in a certain way for a reason, and I don't like second-guessing the artist without some compelling reason to do so.

Jet-a-Reeno!
troacctid (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#60: Feb 13th 2011 at 2:24:16 PM

Yeah, the full covers look good.

The Batman images in general seem to be well-supported in one form or another, so shall we toss them in a crowner and vote on which is best?

INUH Since: Jul, 2009
#61: Feb 13th 2011 at 2:25:44 PM

A crowner between them works. Might throw in the Green Lantern thing just for good measure.

Infinite Tree: an experimental story
DragonQuestZ The Other Troper from Somewhere in California Since: Jan, 2001
The Other Troper
#62: Feb 13th 2011 at 2:31:32 PM

Um, how is holding Robin in virtually the same position not a clear reference to the earlier scene?

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INUH Since: Jul, 2009
#63: Feb 13th 2011 at 2:36:11 PM

^True. It's fairly clear cropped, but uncropped, it's even more clear.

Infinite Tree: an experimental story
SeanMurrayI Since: Jan, 2010
#64: Feb 13th 2011 at 2:48:34 PM

But my main concern, not to get too pretentious (especially since I have no qualms about mangling the art when necessary for troping purposes), is "respecting the art."

We certainly don't need The Comics Code badge or a work title in an image to respect any art. And the "art" present in what Catalogue cropped is irrelevant to what any of us need to look for in a trope page image, anyway; all we're looking to do is convey a trope—not showcase a comic book art exhibit.

edited 13th Feb '11 3:18:57 PM by SeanMurrayI

troacctid (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#65: Feb 16th 2011 at 2:33:34 PM

Well, we have a couple options with some support, so let's run a crowner. Link

Madrugada Since: Jan, 2001
#66: Feb 16th 2011 at 2:40:04 PM

Crowner is hooked, add the choices.

SeanMurrayI Since: Jan, 2010
#67: Feb 16th 2011 at 3:20:00 PM

...I'm not seeing any choices.

EDIT: Oh wait, that says "Add the choices." I read "And."

edited 16th Feb '11 3:20:42 PM by SeanMurrayI

ThePope Since: Oct, 2010
#68: Feb 16th 2011 at 5:54:41 PM

Not to jump the gun, but...I think it's pretty clear where things stand.

troacctid (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#69: Feb 16th 2011 at 9:49:52 PM

Yup, it looks abundantly clear which image is the winner. A landslide victory.

Raso Cure Candy Since: Jul, 2009
Cure Candy
#70: Feb 16th 2011 at 9:51:16 PM

20 point lead with 1 nay... Pwned crowner, put him up.

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troacctid (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#71: Feb 16th 2011 at 10:12:00 PM

Do we have the dates for these comics? I was thinking the caption could be like "1960: Blah blah. 2000: Blah blah."

shimaspawn from Here and Now Since: May, 2010 Relationship Status: In your bunk
#72: Feb 16th 2011 at 10:13:12 PM

They're Golden Age and Dark Age. Not sure of the exact dates.

edited 16th Feb '11 10:13:47 PM by shimaspawn

Reality is that, which when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away. -Philip K. Dick
suedenim Teutonic Tomboy T-Girl from Jet Dream HQ Since: Oct, 2009
Teutonic Tomboy T-Girl
#73: Feb 17th 2011 at 6:33:51 AM

Well, thanks for stacking the deck by excluding the uncropped vertical version from the crowner. Results probably would've been the same, but why risk it?

Anyway, "Robin Dies At Dawn" is actually a Silver Age comic, cover date June 1963. The later scan is from [[http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman:_A_Death_in_the_Family "A Death in the Family," from 1989-89.

Jet-a-Reeno!
troacctid (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#74: Feb 17th 2011 at 11:51:11 AM

[up] Sorry, I didn't actually see it when I skimmed through the thread.

Catalogue A pocketful of saudade. from where the good times are Since: Sep, 2009
A pocketful of saudade.
#75: Feb 22nd 2011 at 4:29:14 AM

edited 22nd Feb '11 4:29:38 AM by Catalogue

The words above are to be read as if they are narrated by Morgan Freeman.

ImagePickin: BloodierAndGorier
20th Apr '10 12:00:00 AM

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