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TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#751: Feb 14th 2011 at 1:06:51 PM

People have to make a costs/benefits analysis for whether or not they want to respond to your blatant Chewbacca Defense or not, or to whether or not the positive utility of not wearing a condom is worth the risks of ST Ds.

Seriously? That's the line of argument you're going with? Can't you at least pretend that we're staying on topic, instead of just trying to demonize people who have anal sex?

edited 14th Feb '11 1:07:29 PM by TheyCallMeTomu

snailbait bitchy queen from psych ward Since: Jul, 2010
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#752: Feb 14th 2011 at 1:07:38 PM

For Christ sakes Rott, straight people have unprotected sex all the time outside of marriage. They also bareback.

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TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
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#754: Feb 14th 2011 at 1:08:38 PM

"The word marriage has always referred to heterosexual relationships!"

"Why do I know that historical homosexual relationships didn't count! They used a different word from marriage!"

Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.
snailbait bitchy queen from psych ward Since: Jul, 2010
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#755: Feb 14th 2011 at 1:09:27 PM

@Tomu: Well yes, that's what barebacking is. xD

edited 14th Feb '11 1:09:50 PM by snailbait

"Without a fairy, you're not even a real man!" ~ Mido from Ocarina of Time
TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#756: Feb 14th 2011 at 1:10:20 PM

Oh, I thought it just meant going without a condom.

SoberIrishman Since: Oct, 2010
#757: Feb 14th 2011 at 1:10:26 PM

Sarcasm is not a substitute for an answer, guys. I'm seeing this on both sides.

Rottweiler Dog and Pony Show from Portland, Oregon Since: Dec, 2009
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#758: Feb 14th 2011 at 1:11:29 PM

For Christ sakes Rott, straight people have unprotected sex all the time outside of marriage.

That's wrong too. It's actually worse, because it might produce a baby the mother is likely to choose to kill or rear as a single mother.

“Love is the eternal law whereby the universe was created and is ruled.” — St. Bernard
JosefBugman Since: Nov, 2009
#759: Feb 14th 2011 at 1:11:45 PM

Well considering one side answered Rott's question to provide it and he has then not so much sidestepped as ignored and yelled about it, its kind of expected that people will react with Sarcasm and disbelief.

snailbait bitchy queen from psych ward Since: Jul, 2010
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#760: Feb 14th 2011 at 1:11:45 PM

@Tomu: Ah, never mind. I misread your intent.

@Irishman: Do you have an argument you'd like to share?

edited 14th Feb '11 1:12:17 PM by snailbait

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TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#761: Feb 14th 2011 at 1:11:58 PM

However, pointing out a fallacy is a proper argument.

It doesn't mean that you're right (See Fallacy Fallacy) but it does mean that, if you've prevented a valid point, and there has been no response that was not a fallacy, your earlier point stands.

OH sweet Rott, abortion derail coming up!

Blah blah blah Positive Utility from Sex blah blah Not A Person blah blah Don't Count blah blah your position is unsupported blah blah we've gone through it all before etc etc.

Oh wait-Rott, by your reasoning, isn't a straight couple having anal sex better than a straight couple having vaginal sex? So, given that, why would a gay couple having anal sex be any worse?

It would suggest that it's a problem of promiscuity, not with anything specific to homosexuality.

edited 14th Feb '11 1:20:59 PM by TheyCallMeTomu

snailbait bitchy queen from psych ward Since: Jul, 2010
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#762: Feb 14th 2011 at 1:22:13 PM

That's wrong too. It's actually worse, because it might produce a baby the mother is likely to choose to kill or rear as a single mother.

Umm, so... If unprotected straight sex is worse in your opinion, why do you demonize gay sex more? Why is that one of the best reasons you have to not allow equality?

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#763: Feb 14th 2011 at 1:22:30 PM

All right, let's try to bring this thread back on to topic for the last time.

Whether or not it is a choice, is there any good reason for the state to treat homosexual couples different from heterosexual couples re:

  1. Right to visitation on death
  2. Rights in the inheritance of a partner who died without leaving a will and last testament
  3. Right to adopt
  4. Right to the same tax incentives heterosexual couples would enjoy
I think this and protection from hate crimes is all that we really care about. I for one don't care if the resulting institution goes under the title 'marriage'.

Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.
TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#764: Feb 14th 2011 at 1:25:37 PM

I'm also concerned about rights to visitation in hospitals.

Rottweiler Dog and Pony Show from Portland, Oregon Since: Dec, 2009
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#765: Feb 14th 2011 at 1:27:59 PM

Umm, so... If unprotected straight sex is worse in your opinion, why do you demonize gay sex more?

Wait, hold on. Unprotected straight sex is glorious if the participants' relationship is set up to benefit any children conceived. By creating children, we partake of divinity.

What I'm against is promiscuity.

Why is that one of the best reasons you have to not allow equality?

I'm against equality for many reasons. That progressives want to encourage anal sex is a minor point.

“Love is the eternal law whereby the universe was created and is ruled.” — St. Bernard
TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#766: Feb 14th 2011 at 1:28:58 PM

You happened to completely ignore the anal sex issue Rott. Mind going back to why that's a bad thing if neither partner has an STD?

Well, if you're against promiscuity, you should want gay people married so that they're less promiscuous.

Screw it. The topic really isn't about whether or not Gay Marriage should be allowed, but about whether homosexuality is a choice. Can we get back to that topic?

edited 14th Feb '11 1:36:08 PM by TheyCallMeTomu

snailbait bitchy queen from psych ward Since: Jul, 2010
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#767: Feb 14th 2011 at 1:38:29 PM

^ *addressing argument in spoiler* I'm very curious to see how Rott will respond to that.

What we really have here is a Double Standard.

I'm against equality for many reasons. That progressives want to encourage anal sex is a minor point.

You know how many times that kind of thinking has won over in the U.S.? None. It's because of a certain constitution we have.

Also, being gay isn't all about sex. Just like how I don't define your straightness with your sex life. We're on this planet for a short while searching for someone out there to love us. Certainly, some people search for sex only, but that's not something unique at all to LGBT people.

edited 14th Feb '11 1:40:50 PM by snailbait

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#768: Feb 14th 2011 at 1:44:35 PM

I'm against equality for many reasons.
That's a topic for a different thread. Has it been made before? And if not, would you consider making it to avoid entangling this one if we promised not to...well, dogpile you too much?

Share it so that people can get into this conversation, 'cause we're not the only ones who think like this.
TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#769: Feb 14th 2011 at 1:45:14 PM

It's been made many a time. Rott and everyone else ever basically have never seen eye to eye on that topic.

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#770: Feb 14th 2011 at 2:28:35 PM

He gets shouted down every time the topic comes up. Somehow he doesnt seem to get the point. Just because everyone disagrees with you does not mean that you're "fighting for an unpopular truth". Sometimes you really are just wrong.

TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
Chagen46 Dude Looks Like a Lady from I don't really know Since: Jan, 2010
#772: Feb 14th 2011 at 2:37:24 PM

Wait, hold on. Unprotected straight sex is glorious if the participants' relationship is set up to benefit any children conceived. By creating children, we partake of divinity.

What I'm against is promiscuity.

First of all, creating new humans isn't divine. And promiscuity is not just any sex that isn't for procreation.

Come on, man. A horny 15-year old can figure this out.

I'm against equality for many reasons.

So I guess we should just enslave all them dumb niggers again, huh?

Reductio Ad Absurdum, but it fits.

Silent Stranger, I can see why Rott makes you filled with rage.

"Who wants to hear about good stuff when the bottom of the abyss of human failure that you know doesn't exist is so much greater?"-Wraith
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#773: Feb 14th 2011 at 2:43:49 PM

^ After one particularly rage-filled debate, I actually made a comic about Rott. I didnt post that here, for obvious reasons.

TheyCallMeTomu Since: Jan, 2001 Relationship Status: Anime is my true love
#774: Feb 14th 2011 at 2:47:26 PM

PRIVATE MESSAGE PLZ!

But yeah, don't wanna post it here and go the way of BonSequitur.

edited 14th Feb '11 2:49:18 PM by TheyCallMeTomu

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