Except that orientation is a mental faculty, as opposed to one's skin.
Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation? Tell me, if you understand. Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know! ~ GODThey're both determined by factors far beyond the control of the individual person.
And anyway, we've already agreed that nothing is objectively morally wrong with homosexuality. So I feel we've nothing left to discuss here.
Evidence for what? If you're convinced you're not influenced by anything, I doubt any amount of numbers is going to change your mind, even assuming they exist and I could find them.
The important thing is that this doesn't matter.
edited 11th Feb '11 7:05:51 PM by SpainSun
I spread my wings and I learn how to fly....It's been proven consistently that it isn't a choice. It's important because the Religious Right attacks homosexuals for choosing to defile themselves and others (which is absolute bullshit) and LGBT people want to shut down that line of thought.
Frankly, I think that attacking people based on a verse from a book that's not been relevant to everyday life for five hundred plus years isn't exactly justifiable in the first place.
My name is Cu Chulainn. Beside the raging sea I am left to moan. Sorrow I am, for I brought down my only son.Having actually read the Bible—more than once—I have to say that that particular verse has always puzzled me as to why its singled out.
There're things that contradict it elsewhere in the Bible. And you can make a strong case for the Bible either supporting or decrying homosexuality. I think it's up to the individual to decide if they choose to be tolerant or not.
I oversimplify, having been there I know it's not that easy by any means. But when presented with evidence that your beliefs are factually wrong, you should really consider changing them.
edited 11th Feb '11 7:09:16 PM by SpainSun
I spread my wings and I learn how to fly....Way I see it, I don;t think it's genetic; rather when one's rolling their personality sheet psychologically at birth it's a random character aspect that crops up, like short temper, gives in easily to temptation, etc.
Humorous metaphor aside, I think it's psychological in nature. Then again I don't really know anything about the subject or any of the studies so apologies if I offend anyone in my ignorance.
Did you even read the article. Of course there are! How many men with two older brothers do you know that aren't gay? It doesn't have to be a 100% thing!
Alright, thought experiment. Let's go along with your apparent idea that anybody can be sexually attracted to anything. Now why would people choose to be attracted to people of their own gender? As I'm sure you know there's all kinds of religious hangups there, and you still have to go through that bothersome process of courtship. So why don't people make themselves sexually attracted to, say, pillows? People could have sex with pillows all they want and never have to worry about disease or pregnancy or hells, because I don't know of any religions prohibiting sex with pillows. As an added bonus, they could continue to form relationships with other human beings, but they wouldn't feel any urges to have sex with them! Chaste and good for the Jesus freaks.
Why doesn't that happen?
edited 11th Feb '11 7:09:23 PM by Tzetze
[1] This facsimile operated in part by synAC.I was never influenced find saliva sexy, but out of desire to get close to my crush, I actively concentrated to make it thus. You may not have been influenced by an outside force, rather, you may have just seen it as appealing.
I figure that Everyone Is Bi, in all seriousness. However, social stigma causes people to deliberately overreact, in a squicked out fashion.
To quote Chagen:
Like that. I could indeed be like him. But I actively try to be squicked out by it, in religious fashion, "lest I be tempted".
If one were to lack this "reflex", then one could easily find something attractive. As with all things romance and appearance related. Beauty standards of today are different from those of yesterday. We are taught to react negatively to certain appearances.
Why doesn't that happen?
Lord knows I'm tempted to link that article about Koreans marrying body pillows, but whatever.
One doesn't choose in the sense of "this is a strategically good idea" so much as "I'd like to try this".
I find certain genres more appealing than I used to, specifically because I've gotten to know them better - what I once found boring is now pleasant.
edited 11th Feb '11 7:18:17 PM by TheMightyAnonym
Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation? Tell me, if you understand. Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know! ~ GODI am going to work on becoming sexually attracted to tea cups.
^Not everyone is bi. Most humans have leanings, but said leanings are so amazingly small there's no point in labeling as bi in their case.
edited 11th Feb '11 7:18:40 PM by Aondeug
If someone wants to accuse us of eating coconut shells, then that's their business. We know what we're doing. - Achaan ChahFetish Fuel exists.
"Not everyone is bi. Most humans have leanings, but said leanings are so amazingly small there's no point in labeling as bi in their case. "
Are you sure? Last time I checked, even non-religious men tend to freak out in response to gay men. What I mentioned covers it.
edited 11th Feb '11 7:20:27 PM by TheMightyAnonym
Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation? Tell me, if you understand. Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know! ~ GODedited 11th Feb '11 7:25:04 PM by joeyjojo
hashtagsarestupidIt still wouldn't make any sense that the vast, vast majority of experimentally chosen orifices are human ones.
[1] This facsimile operated in part by synAC.

I'm tempted to note correlation does not equal causation, but ah well.
It's not compulsion, as there may be a number of subjects influenced by what the article describes, who are not gay.
edited 11th Feb '11 6:59:37 PM by TheMightyAnonym
Where were you when I laid the earth’s foundation? Tell me, if you understand. Who marked off its dimensions? Surely you know! ~ GOD