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Wicked223 from Death Star in the forest Since: Apr, 2009
#26: Feb 8th 2011 at 5:54:14 PM

Nope, didn't think so.

You can't even write racist abuse in excrement on somebody's car without the politically correct brigade jumping down your throat!
RocketDude Since: May, 2009
#27: Feb 8th 2011 at 5:55:05 PM

That takes 'WHO TOUCHED MY GUN?!' to a whole new level of strange.

SpartyMcFly Military Grade Shitposter from Not where he should be Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Get out of here, STALKER
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#28: Feb 8th 2011 at 5:55:13 PM

@Scardoll: In theory, though, that could actually work. Gaming would allow people to exhaust their rage, making them less violent.

Of course, in practice, well... just take a look at Columbine (apparently inspired by a shooter).

edited 8th Feb '11 5:55:26 PM by SpartyMcFly

"Seven is here too, dressed like the concept of choosing clothes that look nice together was an arcane secret far beyond their grasp."
pvtnum11 OMG NO NOSECONES from Kerbin low orbit Since: Nov, 2009 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
OMG NO NOSECONES
#29: Feb 8th 2011 at 5:56:00 PM

More like, people had an outlet for their frustrations and could button-mash their feelings into killing some pixels.

Which is why G-Mod is totally like, the best thing ever for that. evil grin

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WildKnight Black Knight from the wasteland. Since: Jan, 2001
#30: Feb 8th 2011 at 5:56:41 PM

Reposting on this page just for you, Wicked: I googled "video games and rape," and got nothing but articles about this woman's statement and other articles about Rapelay. Certainly no studies to back up her claim.

The blind man walking off the cliff is not making a leap of faith.
SpartyMcFly Military Grade Shitposter from Not where he should be Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Get out of here, STALKER
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#31: Feb 8th 2011 at 5:56:55 PM

In G-Mod, anything is possible so long as you have the tools for it.

EVERYTHING.

"Seven is here too, dressed like the concept of choosing clothes that look nice together was an arcane secret far beyond their grasp."
RocketDude Since: May, 2009
#32: Feb 8th 2011 at 5:56:59 PM

^^^Too bad you can't face-pose people in RubberFruit-esque ways in real life.

^You can even make your own tools!

^^And that's why I added a point that even games with actual rape in them would still be unlikely to make people become rapists.

edited 8th Feb '11 5:58:17 PM by RocketDude

pvtnum11 OMG NO NOSECONES from Kerbin low orbit Since: Nov, 2009 Relationship Status: We finish each other's sandwiches
OMG NO NOSECONES
#33: Feb 8th 2011 at 5:57:58 PM

Fox should take a hint from PBS.

Happiness is zero-gee with a sinus cold.
Wicked223 from Death Star in the forest Since: Apr, 2009
#34: Feb 8th 2011 at 5:58:26 PM

Reposting on this page just for you, Wicked: I googled "video games and rape, " and got nothing but articles about this woman's statement and other articles about Rapelay. Certainly no studies to back up her claim.

Alright then, fair enough.

You can't even write racist abuse in excrement on somebody's car without the politically correct brigade jumping down your throat!
LizardBite Shameless Self-Promoter from Two Galaxies Over Since: Jan, 2001
Magus Since: Jan, 2001
#36: Feb 8th 2011 at 6:01:05 PM

You know, I think for once I'd like to see a rebuttal to that statement that isn't empty nerdrage.

With no studies that present a currently non-disproved theory that gaming causes these problems, they're basically just making empty claims and backing them up with the Slippery Slope Fallacy. Furthermore, claiming that ESRB ratings are worthless because they're not retailer-enforced is a bad argument. Parents of small children should at least be able to know what their child is playing, and if it turns out that the kid bought something the parents are uncomfortable with they don't have to support him playing it.

I'm too amused by these antics to get angry about them.

Scardoll Burn Since: Nov, 2010
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#37: Feb 8th 2011 at 6:04:45 PM

It's not just nerd rage. To pin the blame on something like video games takes public focus away from the actual causes of rape or murder.

Violent crime rates in the United States.

@Scardoll: In theory, though, that could actually work. Gaming would allow people to exhaust their rage, making them less violent. Of course, in practice, well... just take a look at Columbine (apparently inspired by a shooter).
They were interested in Doom and compared their killing to killing the enemies in that game (They were inspired by a variety of sources, actually.).

However, using that sort of example is like using Mark David Chapman as evidence that books increase violence. If we look at the actual amount of violent crime in the United States, there has been a decrease since the rise of first person shooters like Doom.

Of course, I don't think video games caused that decrease. Correlation does not equal causation. I just think it's foolish to say that video games cause violence when there's evidence to the contrary.

edited 8th Feb '11 6:09:08 PM by Scardoll

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SpartyMcFly Military Grade Shitposter from Not where he should be Since: Nov, 2010 Relationship Status: Get out of here, STALKER
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#38: Feb 8th 2011 at 6:07:49 PM

@Scarface:I know, that's why I said it would technically work. In real life, well... yeah, it varies. You can't predict the universe.

"Seven is here too, dressed like the concept of choosing clothes that look nice together was an arcane secret far beyond their grasp."
Indigo_Dingo Since: Dec, 1969
#39: Feb 8th 2011 at 6:10:26 PM

The question is if they would hjave done the same without a game like Doom existing.

The answer is "probably". They were mentally disturbed kids.

edited 8th Feb '11 6:10:59 PM by Indigo_Dingo

Scardoll Burn Since: Nov, 2010
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#40: Feb 8th 2011 at 6:12:43 PM

The question is if they would hjave done the same without a game like Doom existing.
We have no idea.

They considered mass murderers like Hitler to be an inspiration, and recorded a few videos dictating their views. Those teens were scum.

edited 8th Feb '11 6:13:06 PM by Scardoll

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Indigo_Dingo Since: Dec, 1969
#41: Feb 8th 2011 at 6:18:11 PM

No shit. Scum has existd long before videogames existede - people like Hitler, Ghengis Khan and Atilla the Hun found ways to be horrible without ever playing videogames. But this is simply Hitler Ate Sugar - videogames aren't bad cause two fucked up losers liked them

edited 8th Feb '11 6:18:33 PM by Indigo_Dingo

Charlatan Since: Mar, 2011
#42: Feb 8th 2011 at 6:20:36 PM

Videogames may alter your mental state somewhat (adrenaline and all) but I really don't think they can make you a sociopath like Harris and his crew wound up becoming.

Scardoll Burn Since: Nov, 2010
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#43: Feb 8th 2011 at 6:22:20 PM

Reading through the article, I noticed something.

To be fair, the online-only ESRB warning for Bulletstorm does spell out the objectionable content — and even that is too graphic to reproduce entirely. Here's an excerpt:

The dialogue contains numerous jokes and comments that reference sexual acts, venereal diseases, and having sex with one's mother (e.g., "Guess I know where the ol' gal got that limp."). The names of some Skillshots are infused with sexual innuendo (e.g., Gag Reflex, Rear Entry, Drilldo, Mile High Club); one Skillshot (i.e., Fire in the Hole) allows players to shoot at enemies' exposed buttocks.

The funny thing is, if you click on the actual link to the page, here is the full description.

This is a first-person shooter in which players assume the role of a space pirate who must escape a planet populated by mutant cannibals. Players use futuristic machine guns, shotguns, magnum revolvers, assault rifles, and chain guns to perform over-the-top kills that dismember and decapitate foes. Injured enemies emit large sprays of blood that stain the ground and surrounding walls. Specialty kills (i.e., Skillshots) represent the most intense instances of violence: enemies can be dismembered with explosives; impaled on spikes; and drilled into walls, resulting in body parts breaking into pieces. During the course of the game, players can consume alcohol and kill enemies in order to receive an Intoxicated Skillshot; the screen turns blurry during these sequences. The dialogue contains numerous jokes and comments that reference sexual acts, venereal diseases, and having sex with one's mother (e.g., "Guess I know where the ol' gal got that limp."). The names of some Skillshots are infused with sexual innuendo (e.g., Gag Reflex, Rear Entry, Drilldo, Mile High Club); one Skillshot (i.e., Fire in the Hole) allows players to shoot at enemies' exposed buttocks. Language such as "f**k," "sh*t," "p*ssy," and "c*ck" can be heard in dialogue.

Apparently, sprays of blood and chopped off limbs are too graphic for Fox to have in an article... Despite the fucking picture on the article. Or are bleeped out swear words "too graphic?"

Why must so much journalism be filled with weaselly words and bullcrap?

edited 8th Feb '11 6:28:12 PM by Scardoll

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Anomalocaris20 from Sagittarius A* Since: Sep, 2010 Relationship Status: Love blinded me (with science!)
#44: Feb 8th 2011 at 6:35:24 PM

Because weasels speak in weasel words.

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Karalora Since: Jan, 2001
#46: Feb 8th 2011 at 6:36:08 PM

Would it change anything about this issue if I pointed out that Fox News is a tool of the Republican Party, which has fewer bad things to say about rape every day?

Charlatan Since: Mar, 2011
#47: Feb 8th 2011 at 6:37:19 PM

I'd view it more as the Republican Party (or ugly chunks of it) being a tool of Fox News, Kara.

Please do wisen up a little.

Chagen46 Dude Looks Like a Lady from I don't really know Since: Jan, 2010
#48: Feb 8th 2011 at 6:48:49 PM

That's it, fuck this news channel.

Actually, fuck politics in general. Doesn't matter who you vote for, you get fucked in the end.

"Who wants to hear about good stuff when the bottom of the abyss of human failure that you know doesn't exist is so much greater?"-Wraith
Charlatan Since: Mar, 2011
Scardoll Burn Since: Nov, 2010
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#50: Feb 8th 2011 at 6:50:53 PM

The Depressed Non-Activist Cynics Party?

Somehow, I don't think that idea will go very far.

edited 8th Feb '11 6:51:17 PM by Scardoll

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