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Flying Miracle. 3000 miles? wow. just... wow.

Hey, so random weird thought. A while back, a guest speaker a a church I visited, just more as an offhand comment, suggested that perhaps the reason that Jesus hasn't returned yet is due to us; that he could have returned many times in the last 2000 years, but we aren't spreading the gospel, and we aren't being a light to theworld, so the date gets pushed back.

It's a weird idea that I don't think is fully right, but thoughts?

one of the prophecies i've read about is that before Jesus comes back, everyone will have heard the gospel and had a chance to repent. i guess everyone hasn't head it yet.

Scientific explanation is more intriguing considering how trail-and-error-approach can get the shit done. Eye was developed independetly so many times it's hard to count.

...How is that a miracle? Amazing, sure, but a miracle? Nah. I mean, is it a miracle when a violin prodigy plays a beautiful concerto? No, it's skill. Is it a miracle when butterflies fly thousands of miles? No, it's instinct acquired through natural selection.

Mystical explanations are considered deep; the truth is, they are not even shallow.

Well, I don't know if God personally directs each butterfly, but remember that our belief is that God made a world where this is possible in the first place.

Doesn't make it a miracle. I mean, aren't miracles supposed to include direct intervention by your god?

There is no evidence of breach of known laws of physics anywhere in the universe. Thus, I'm sure no outside creator is involved with universe except for the hypothetical situation in which creator of deism set up laws of physics and let universe to its own devices. But that's not even hypothesis since hypotheses are meant to be able to be scientifically tested to find whether they are plausible or not. Good luck on finding energy source equivalent to galactic core and harnessing it for your needs.

You know what, I'm just going to get this out of the way:

...And with that said and done, I'm very sure that in this context, we're not referring to the strict ecclesiastical definition of "miracle" as "supernatural event in opposition to the laws of nature", especially when speaking of nature itself. But as something to "wonder" or "marvel" at, I think God's creation counts as a "miracle" to the one who wrote the article and for those who see God's hand in the daily workings of the world.

(And speaking about the depth of spiritual explanations... if you don't believe in the basic concepts behind such things, it's only logical that the subsequent explanations will sound hollow. For example, it's hard to explain our belief in the will of God and faith to someone who doesn't believe in the existence of God in the first place - we tend to come across as lunatics.)

edited 3rd Jul '13 7:51:43 AM by Pyrite

morning everyone.

Service and Witness. i think i saw a movie about this missionary in high school.

Pyrite: Oh God, ICP. MiRaClEs :oP

morning everyone.

Eternal Eyesight. i've been sort of experiencing this lately.

Everytime one of my friends mentions the concept o miracles, I have trouble resisting the urge to yell out MAGNETS. :P

Also, Katsura, 3 things.

• I would argue that there is evidence for miracles. If there has never been a single recorded instance of anything violating the known laws of physics, then my religion is delusional, and what's worse, illogical.
• "science" isn't the only way of coming to conclusions. You could argue that reason/logic is, but that me a very different thing. If the scientific method is the only way of concluding things... Not only is that rather self defeating, but how would you know that to be true?
• the way you worded your statement sounded really confrontational, like you were thing to start an argument. Which I would totally be up for, but it sounded like you we're basically, as i said, calling what I believe delusional. Which is cool on literally very single section o the site except for this one.

"[...]that he could have returned many times in the last 2000 years, but we aren't spreading the gospel, and we aren't being a light to theworld, so the date gets pushed back."

Because it's not like everyone on the planet now has the chance to learn about christian beliefs, and it's not like these past 2000 years haven't had missionaries or anything.

morning all.

Battling Ego. i... i've had problems with this at times.

Even remote civilizations know a bit about Abrahamic religions, and missionaries are still common. Unfortunately, some of them make more harm than good in some regions, like Uganda.

Random question.

Has God ever trolled someone in the Bible?

Some faith-healer from Uganda who claims to be able to ressurect people rented one biggest stadiums in Poland for his show. It is comforting that even biggest zealots in my country deem him a fraud and doubt his flimsy evidence for ressurection of death people. The same zealots who have so inflated ego that they build statues of Jesus bigger than those in Rio de Janeiro, in backwater villages. I bet they also find what happens in Uganda disgusting because of death penalty for gay people. Not even worst offender at raving against LBGT people say they are worthy criminal punishment.

D Roy: Jesus did, I think... But the best trolling in the bible comes from ellijah on mt. Caramel.

MAYE YOU GOD IS TAKING A PISS, YOU SHOULD YELL LOUDER

huh? What does that have to do with anything?

edited 5th Jul '13 11:13:07 AM by Jimmmyman10

I mean, it's good Catholics here have common sense to look up if someone's claims are backed by solid evidence.

Oh, sorry, didn't see you earlier pos about Uganda. :)

So I watched first half of Ben Hur, a great movie by the way. Jesus appeared like twice and both time he completely stole the scene. He even steals the scene when he gets just mentioned.

Heh. Just wait till you get near the end.

Not going to spoooiiiiilll it

Jesus dies.