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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

  • Apart from the main Marvel Universe titles, Ultimate Spider-Man, Spider-Man "What If?" stories, crossovers, guest appearances in other books, Alternate Universe tales and things like Marvel's manga adaptations are all on-topic here.
  • Spider-Man 'family' books are on-topic (as are their own crossovers, guest appearances etc.) - e.g. Spider-Man 2099, Miles Morales, Spider-Woman, Silk, Spider-Gwen, Venom, Carnage, Black Cat, Red Goblin and Spider-Verse.
  • Characters and comics that originated in Spider-Man but are no longer directly connected to the spider-franchise (e.g. Punisher, Silver Sable) are not on-topic, unless you're discussing historical connections and crossovers. If in doubt, check before you write a long post. If this isn't the right place, there's a more general Marvel Comics thread which covers them.

Technically, Marvel's Infinity Comics (and their predecessors, Infinite Comics) are webcomics, not comic books, but it's fine to talk about their Spider-Man stories here.

Discussions that are only about Spider-Man adaptations in other media (films, video games etc.) are off-topic, but discussing the differences between the adaptations and the original comics is fine - as long as spoilers for the adaptations are tagged.

Please follow the spoiler policy rules - tag spoilers for the latest issues, for any previews or content leaks, and for off-topic comics. When including spoiler tags, try to write so that tropers can make an informed decision before viewing them (e.g. which series and issue will they spoil?).

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

chino514 (Apprentice)
#35976: Aug 14th 2024 at 1:43:17 PM

Can we train Venom to attack Paul?

Spirit Pretty flower from America Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
Pretty flower
#35977: Aug 14th 2024 at 2:48:33 PM

Well he's good now and wants to do good things so yes.

Edited by Spirit on Aug 14th 2024 at 5:48:47 AM

#IceBearForPresident
lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#35978: Aug 14th 2024 at 6:27:36 PM

Peter Parker Spider-Man sure has died a lot, especially in What If? (Marvel Comics).

Has Miles died at all yet?

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Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#35979: Aug 14th 2024 at 6:30:17 PM

Peter is one of the funnier guys around, and started as a teenager, so killing him does say a lot about a setting.

Dick Grayson over the other side has the same luck.

Edited by Blueace on Aug 14th 2024 at 9:31:51 AM

Wake me up at your own risk.
lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#35980: Aug 14th 2024 at 7:42:01 PM

Reading What If Spider Man House Of M, two different realities where Peter brought House of M's Gwen back to the real reality. Things fall apart quickly in both—in the first story it's cause Gwen is a living time paradox and destabilizes reality with her presence, while in the second it causes conflict between Peter and MJ and he developed his own Goblin personality because, according to the caption boxes, "having to choose between the two women he loved was more than Peter's fragile mind could take."

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Cortez from Parts Unknown (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#35981: Aug 14th 2024 at 7:50:24 PM

Uhhhh who the hell is Goblin Gwen?

She's a Gwen who is a goblin, rather straight forward.

Not even the first of her kind.

Edited by Cortez on Aug 15th 2024 at 2:52:47 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#35982: Aug 14th 2024 at 8:01:44 PM

[up][up] That second one sounds so dumb

Forever liveblogging the Avengers
lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#35983: Aug 14th 2024 at 8:12:49 PM

In the end he got impaled on his glider to save MJ from something he caused, and his son Richie inherited his powers but wasn't sure about the whole 'responsibility' thing.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#35984: Aug 14th 2024 at 8:14:04 PM

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Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#35985: Aug 14th 2024 at 8:36:11 PM

Over in miles book his electricity stuff has been needed a hit because he's a vampire now, using it too much could kill him, wonder if some of it might stick after he goes back to normal

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#35986: Aug 14th 2024 at 8:40:51 PM

[up] Can he recharge his powers from Electro or a power line or something?

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Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#35987: Aug 14th 2024 at 9:25:41 PM

[up]he still has it but its at war with his vampire side. It helps keep it at bay but if he uses it too much it might kill him

reppuzan Since: Dec, 2014
#35988: Aug 14th 2024 at 10:39:42 PM

@lalalei2001

Deadpool kills Miles in Deadpool Kills the Marvel Universe Again and in Deadpool: Killustrated. Another version of him died destorying Annihilus' Cosmic Control Rod on Earth-807128 as seen in Savage Avengers (the Old Man Logan timeline).

Tiamatty X-Men X-Pert from Now on Twitter Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: Brony
#35989: Aug 14th 2024 at 10:42:28 PM

"Shay's not gonna last a minute. The fans won't accept her, and Marvel will only push her for so long before the next writer for ASM has their own ideas." You're right about Marvel only giving her until the next run, which is part of the problem, they're not actually willing to let Peter have a healthy long-term romantic relationship right now.

As far as the fans go, the vast majority just want fun stories. If a romance is well-written and shows why the two people are a good match for each other, then the fans will enjoy it and accept it. Assuming that people on the Internet are The Fans is a mistake. They're a small portion of the overall fan base, and hey! Even they have different opinions! There are people on the Internet who are thoroughly enjoying Wells' run, because different people have different tastes and art is subjective.

I just hate this idea that people online represent The Fans. "The Fans want this! The Fans don't want that!" None of us actually knows what The Fans want, because we're talking about tens of thousands of people who all have their own tastes and preferences and opinions! So acting like all those tens of thousands of people will always automatically reject, completely and without any hesitation, any and all love interests for Peter other than MJ, is frigging ridiculous. Most of them don't actually think that hard about it! Sure, they might prefer MJ, but if he's dating someone else, most will just shrug and get on with it, because at the end of the day, it's just a story.

X-Men X-Pert, my blog where I talk about X-Men comics.
lycropath Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#35990: Aug 14th 2024 at 10:54:15 PM

While that's true fans are not a monolith, it does seem like its possible that Shay will just be rejected on principle by a large portion of readers, it happened to Carlie after all.

Tiamatty X-Men X-Pert from Now on Twitter Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: Brony
#35991: Aug 14th 2024 at 11:12:28 PM

[up] Carlie, from what I understand, was handled rather poorly, and came about not long after OMD, a story that I suspect actually did bother a very large portion of the fan base. There's also the issue that, you know, tens of thousands of readers and only a small number actually voiced their opinions anywhere.

It's been long enough since OMD that I feel most readers are mostly over it, and wouldn't automatically reject a new love interest, as long as she was written well. That, of course, is always going to be the sticking point. The truth is, romance can be really tough. Even for people who have a lot of experience writing it, sometimes, a romance just doesn't click. And superhero writers don't always have that much experience writing romances.

X-Men X-Pert, my blog where I talk about X-Men comics.
Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#35992: Aug 14th 2024 at 11:56:47 PM
Thumped: Wow. That was rude. Too many of this kind of thump will bring a suspension. Please keep it civil.
lycropath Since: Mar, 2010 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#35993: Aug 15th 2024 at 12:29:42 AM

[up][up]I mean we are once again on the heels of Peter and MJ pretty recently broken up for a sake of a pretty badly handled storyline. Not a lot has changed from then to now [lol]

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#35994: Aug 15th 2024 at 12:30:42 AM

Time really is a fucking flat circle.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#35996: Aug 15th 2024 at 12:49:44 AM

The idea that people will or have EVER 'gotten over OMD' is asinine delusion at this point.

As you say, it's 17 years. There are a growing number of Spider-Man fans who weren't old enough to read OMD at the time and don't remember the previous status quo.

They'll be aware of it from stuff read later, sure, but their starting point won't be a married Peter and MJ. Things like Ultimate and the Spider-Verse films establish that as an option, but not the only option.

Edited by Mrph1 on Aug 15th 2024 at 9:04:31 AM

Kurus576 Since: Aug, 2015
#35997: Aug 15th 2024 at 1:28:57 AM

[up] You are aware that it’s easier than ever to go back and read older comics right? It’s not like newer readers can’t prefer the older comics.

Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#35998: Aug 15th 2024 at 1:38:53 AM

[up]

Hence the "They'll be aware of it from stuff read later, sure"

Yes. But there is a lot of Spider-Man history. And the perspective of those who grew up during the 20-year Spider-Marriage (1987-2007) is likely to be different to those who are dipping into the whole 60+ year history and see the marriage as one era, possibly the best era, but not the era and default status quo.

Edited by Mrph1 on Aug 15th 2024 at 9:39:17 AM

Tiamatty X-Men X-Pert from Now on Twitter Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: Brony
#35999: Aug 15th 2024 at 1:55:07 AM
Thumped: for switching the discussion from the topic to a person. Doesn't take many of this kind of thump to bring a suspension. Stay on the topic, not the people in the discussion.
X-Men X-Pert, my blog where I talk about X-Men comics.
Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#36000: Aug 15th 2024 at 2:11:44 AM

[up][up] "those who are dipping into the whole 60+ year history and see the marriage as one era, possibly the best era, but not the era and default status quo"

When multiple adaptations tap into concepts like marriage and kids, or co-habiting with MJ, like the games, like Spider-Man TAS, like Across The Spider-Verse, then no, for anyone curious about those, for anyone reading up on the comics, it pretty much is THE era, the last era where anything grew and developed, any point after that isn't really 'history', it's an alternate timeline where they didn't marry or had children. It's false, it's insincere, there's no point in investing in any of it, it's a cheat.

Readers aren't stupid, when they read OMD, they usually realize how much of a con every other era is, and they gravitate more to stories that highlight Peter and MJ's relationship and marriage, and recommend books like Ultimate Spider-Man. It's not just AN option, it's THE option, and you see it reflected in the videos of many Gen Alphas on tik tok and Youtube, reaching millions of audiences and educating them.

Edited by Zarius on Aug 15th 2024 at 2:14:44 AM


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