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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#35926: Aug 12th 2024 at 2:59:19 PM

Those OMD interviews are still around as far as I know, as are their sister OMIT interviews, just with different links.

The "it's magic, we don't have to explain it" was something a fan said when writing in with questions about the series and how the retcon would be enabled. Quesada, upon being asked why he essentially responded with "It's magic. We don't need to explain it" in regards to the story, said that other Marvel characters used magic and no one needed an explanation for those.

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HamburgerTime Since: Apr, 2010
#35927: Aug 12th 2024 at 3:47:22 PM

[up] Great find, thank you! The reason I didn’t post a link before is that the only source I could find at the time was Spider-Man Crawlspace, and IIRC they’re pretty disreputable? They posted the quote I found earlier with a link to a CBR page that is now dead.

So, Shay. What’s her deal? Don’t hear much about her compared to Paul.

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#35928: Aug 12th 2024 at 4:40:17 PM

If I remember correctly, Shay's deal is that she likes Peter Parker. He doesn't have time for her, between work and Spider-Man, and doesn't trust her enough to reveal his secret, but she won't give up, so Peter feels compelled to try and give her time.

If there's more I don't know. I don't follow Spider-Man as closely as I used to, for a variety of reason(but mainly one, maybe two "Ones").

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Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#35929: Aug 12th 2024 at 5:53:16 PM

Sounds like a fairly solid concept for a relationship. Hopefully they make something good out of this even with the elephants in the room.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#35930: Aug 12th 2024 at 6:38:02 PM

For a different topic, Spider pays homage to his uncle, helps people name children, and protects his identity.

And the best part is, anyone who tries to use this to figure out Peter's identity will hit a wall since his name isn't Ben....

<Ben Reily suddenly gets his ass kicked>

...oh...right...well, this is why we have Chasm now, I guess.[lol]

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#35931: Aug 12th 2024 at 6:39:01 PM

It's okay. Ben Reilly doesn't deserve nice things until he repents for that nothing name.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#35932: Aug 12th 2024 at 6:43:57 PM

[up]Have you considered that he has that nothing name because he doesn't get nice things ?

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#35933: Aug 12th 2024 at 7:29:32 PM

Probably because he doesn't deserve them

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#35934: Aug 12th 2024 at 7:31:40 PM

He doesn't deserve to:

1) Live;

2) Get revived, only to be killed over and over again;

3) Get his memories yeeted out of his head?

Maybe Ben should be kicking everyone's ass and forcing them to call themselves Chasm. Because the boy does deserve one thing: Better.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#35935: Aug 12th 2024 at 7:35:24 PM

I recall that he got his brain broke by agreeing to become Beyond Corporation's Salaried Superhero even after everyone told him it was a bad idea.

And after he broke his brain and thought Chasm was a good name, he tried to become Turbo Satan of Limbo. And rudely, when he took Madelyne Pryor's power, he got super buff but she never got super buff. That's a double standard.

But if he ditches the name Chasm and apologizes for it, I will welcome him into my heart again. And if he punches Paul in the back of the head, he'll probably become Spider-Man Of The Year in the hearts of the audience.

Edited by Bocaj on Aug 12th 2024 at 7:36:16 AM

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
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#35936: Aug 12th 2024 at 7:36:28 PM

Pssh. Anyone would become hero of the year by punching Paul on some part of his body.

That's way too easy. Do something that really matters.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#35937: Aug 12th 2024 at 7:42:26 PM

He could rescue May from comic book limbo and ambiguous death, the way Kaine did in Spider-Girl. The storyline could be called One More May and it will sell a mayillion copies. Ben redeemed forever and also becomes Uncle Ben and May's mentor since Peter is too busy... I dunno. Does he do anything anymore?

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lbssb The sleepiest good boi Since: Jun, 2020 Relationship Status: is commanded to— WANK!
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#35938: Aug 12th 2024 at 8:07:36 PM

[up]And on top of all that, reveal that it was the real Aunt May who passed away in ASM 400 and the actress is actually the one who's been around ever since. And she was actually a demon manipulating Peter into doing One More Day, to which Mephisto finally gets a proper asskicking for that.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#35939: Aug 12th 2024 at 8:08:57 PM

... Aunt Mayphisto

My god

The clues were there all along!

Edited by Bocaj on Aug 12th 2024 at 8:09:13 AM

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lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#35940: Aug 12th 2024 at 8:30:29 PM

Jut as long as the new Uncle Ben doesn't meet the same fate as the old one. XD

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Tiamatty X-Men X-Pert from Now on Twitter Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: Brony
#35941: Aug 12th 2024 at 11:16:12 PM

On Peter dating Shay: I've said before that if editorial wants to keep Peter and MJ apart, the best solution is to have Peter date a woman who he genuinely gets along with and enjoys spending time with him, without talking down to him. So how has Shay been? Does she do that thing where she acts like she's too good for him and condescends to him? Some writers like to do that thing with love interests for male heroes.

If Shay treats him like he's a good man that she sincerely likes talking to, then she's as good a choice as any for a long-term relationship. Let him date her for a good few years, let it become serious.

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#35942: Aug 12th 2024 at 11:46:03 PM

The first appearance I've seen of Shay is the free comic book day Ultimate Universe / Spider-man issue (I have no idea why they were combined).

In there it's the classic Peter has to skip out on a date to be Spider-man and his date thinks he's a coward and chews him out for it

That part of the issue ends with her storming off after cutting off his attempt to explain

So that's not great?

Tiamatty X-Men X-Pert from Now on Twitter Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: Brony
#35943: Aug 13th 2024 at 1:24:36 AM

[up] Yeah, I do feel like the key to selling a love interest for Peter is to avoid falling into the "Peter ditches her and she gets mad" cliche too often. It's easy to mine that for drama, but there's diminishing returns every time it's done, so it needs to be done sparingly.

It also makes it harder to sell any relationship. If the woman is always annoyed at him, then the audience is just going to wonder why she puts up with him. The key to selling any relationship is to show the people enjoying each other's company.

So in this case, show Peter and Shay having successful dates. And show why they like each other, what they have in common.

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Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#35944: Aug 13th 2024 at 10:09:42 AM

Shay's not gonna last a minute. The fans won't accept her, and Marvel will only push her for so long before the next writer for ASM has their own ideas. Felicia didn't last more than a couple of months despite being the most logical rebound, and when Peter hooked up with Carlie after three years of build, she was out on her ass half a year later and ritually humiliated again and again.

Peter and Bobbi had successful dates, and broke up because Bobbi realized they had nothing in common.

All roads lead back to MJ. Just accept it and life tolerating this garbage becomes a lot easier. MJ is the only one that'll move variants besides Black Cat. Shay has no name value, or any chemistry with him, and has generic characteristics.

And the way their first kiss comes about is particularly creepy

The fact Ultimate Spider-Man routinely outperforms or is on equal footing with ASM, with kids and marriage added to the mix, just shows this is a battle Marvel lost a long time ago and, truthfully, will never permit themselves to win.

Edited by Zarius on Aug 13th 2024 at 10:16:14 AM

chino514 (Apprentice)
#35945: Aug 13th 2024 at 10:14:45 AM

At this point, how much do we really care anymore? Their own ego got them this far, and it's still keeping them going with the main book being like this despite all the other books, universes and adaptations.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#35946: Aug 13th 2024 at 10:17:42 AM

I don't care. I'm just waiting for the next run.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#35947: Aug 13th 2024 at 10:21:39 AM

I’ve dropped Amazing like a hot potato and don’t give much thought to other spider books either. It’s going to take something big to get me to give ASM a look again.

New Ultimate Spider-Man has been interesting. A very slow burn but very interesting.

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TomWithoutJerry Tyranny Bad, Democracy Good. from Where Might Makes Right and I have no Might. Since: Dec, 2023
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#35948: Aug 13th 2024 at 10:25:18 AM

Anyone would become hero of the year by punching Paul on some part of his body.

What if Paul hits himself all over his body, then?

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chino514 (Apprentice)
#35949: Aug 13th 2024 at 10:30:30 AM

Anyone but Paul then. Wonder if we have 50, if not 100+ ways to harm, kill or otherwise do bad stuff to Paul?

TomWithoutJerry Tyranny Bad, Democracy Good. from Where Might Makes Right and I have no Might. Since: Dec, 2023
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#35950: Aug 13th 2024 at 10:35:11 AM

At least he isn't Terry Long?

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