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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#35851: Aug 5th 2024 at 9:46:15 AM

Brevoort over on his substack talked a bit about refusing to give Mary Jane a miscarriage in the 90s two years before Marvel actually did give her one.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#35852: Aug 5th 2024 at 9:54:39 AM

I thought she was drugged into premature labor, gave birth, had the baby stolen and forever disappeared by a nurse working for Norman, and then was told the baby died during delivery

And Good Guy Norman knows what became of baby May but hasn’t deigned to reveal it

Edited by Bocaj on Aug 5th 2024 at 9:55:15 AM

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#35853: Aug 5th 2024 at 9:56:08 AM

I assume May is like being raised as a weapon somewhere.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#35854: Aug 5th 2024 at 9:56:41 AM

Iconic Good Guy character Norman Osborn isn't allowed by Mep-I mean Marvel Editorial to reveal where he hid May.

Granted, knowing Marvel....Mephisto probably has May in his realm.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#35855: Aug 5th 2024 at 10:00:47 AM

Some writer at some future point is going to pull that trigger and have May come back as a Damian-like character into Peter’s life

Like Gabriel and Gwentwo but actually a plot development worth a damn

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#35856: Aug 5th 2024 at 10:01:26 AM

You made me really happy with that thought.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#35857: Aug 5th 2024 at 10:02:32 AM

I had this idea for a Renew your vows fanfic where Norman comes back with a ten year old May to fight Spider-Man and his amazing family.

I had so much fun with the whole drama of Annie having to fight her own sister.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#35858: Aug 5th 2024 at 10:04:23 AM

Spider daughters. Always fighting their sisters

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#35859: Aug 5th 2024 at 10:42:00 AM

I feel like Norman would def try to raise Mayday in his own image to spite Spider-Man, and to have that heir he always wanted.

But Marvel won't ever allow anyone to address it to keep their image of swinging Spider-Man, rather than dead beat dad Spider-Man.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
TomWithoutJerry Tyranny Bad, Democracy Good. from Where Might Makes Right and I have no Might. Since: Dec, 2023
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#35860: Aug 5th 2024 at 11:16:58 AM

A crack fic idea I once had... I think, I don't remember how it went in my mind originally... was Peter being killed and a Sinister Six lineup trying to raise his daughter. I think it'd have been Norman, Eddie, Otto, Sergei, Quentin and Adrian? It was a stupid Three Men and a Baby kind of gag.

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Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
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#35861: Aug 5th 2024 at 11:23:48 AM

Then again, they are trying to act like being part, even unwitting in a genocide isn't a bog deal. They really gave up on quality.

Wake me up at your own risk.
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#35862: Aug 5th 2024 at 11:29:47 AM

[up][up] The Sinister Six raising a Spider-Baby and maybe flipping towards being good out of concern for what a dangerous world this is for a baby to grow up in would be an interesting AU

In a weird note, Kraven is apparently actually good with kids. Surprising considering what a horrible dad he is to his own.

Edited by Bocaj on Aug 5th 2024 at 11:30:57 AM

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
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#35863: Aug 5th 2024 at 11:33:44 AM

Where did you hear Kraven being good with kids being a thing?

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
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#35864: Aug 5th 2024 at 11:58:46 AM

Avengers Standoff or whatever the series was called

Kraven was sent to capture Cosmiccubelissa and instead of trying to chase her around or fight her, he just set up a tea party and engaged her on her level

Edit: https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/img_8805_6.jpeg

Edited by Bocaj on Aug 5th 2024 at 12:03:41 PM

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TomWithoutJerry Tyranny Bad, Democracy Good. from Where Might Makes Right and I have no Might. Since: Dec, 2023
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#35865: Aug 5th 2024 at 12:30:08 PM

That is very different from actually looking after a child in the long run, but for supervillain standards it is somewhat acceptable, I guess?

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#35866: Aug 6th 2024 at 12:48:09 AM

putting on the fucken party hat i'm crying

I thought she was drugged into premature labor, gave birth, had the baby stolen and forever disappeared by a nurse working for Norman, and then was told the baby died during delivery

And Good Guy Norman knows what became of baby May but hasn’t deigned to reveal it

There's more that happened after that.

The woman who kidnapped baby May returned and told Peter "May is alive" before she died. Obviously assuming this was his daughter, Peter followed it up only to discover it was Aunt May that was alive, with that insanely complicated actress plot to fake her death.

Then, in Marvel Knights Mac Gargan mentions that Norman Osborn killed Peter's daughter.

While Marvel now don't want to address it at all, it appears that the answer is the baby really did die in delivery and the reveal that her death was a fakeout was in actuality the fakeout.

Norman hasn't brought this up now because Peter already knows.

Edited by Saiga on Aug 6th 2024 at 12:48:34 PM

Antiyonder (4 Score & 7 Years Ago)
#35867: Aug 6th 2024 at 12:52:55 AM

De Falco did intend for Baby May to be the one referred to and reuniting her with Peter & MJ.

It leading to Aunt May was just Marvel thinking that the bait and switch wouldn't be stupid.

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#35868: Aug 6th 2024 at 12:58:49 AM

Oh I know, I'm just talking about what the in-universe account of things is now

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#35869: Aug 6th 2024 at 12:59:47 AM

Surprised they didn’t synergize Spider Man with baby May.

/s

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Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#35870: Aug 6th 2024 at 6:23:22 AM

Mayday being legit killed/miscarried also forms the backstory of Renew Your Vows, with Annie being Peter and MJ simply trying again and succeeding this time.

Makes one wonder where Norman got to in that universe, being that Annie pretty much grew up without having to worry about him and only dealt with Normie and Liz.

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#35871: Aug 6th 2024 at 10:29:23 AM

Given what that Peter did, probably would have ended with Norm in a volcano after he pushed his luck too much.

Wake me up at your own risk.
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#35872: Aug 6th 2024 at 10:48:25 AM

The last time Norman goaded Peter into breaking his code, we were given 5 years of iconic good guy character Norman Osborn who totally is a good dad.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#35873: Aug 6th 2024 at 10:56:39 AM

Peter’s best friend and dare we say platonic life partner

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#35874: Aug 6th 2024 at 11:49:08 AM

I think the most fucked up part is that Gold Goblin Norman Osborn unironically comes off as a better leading man than Peter at this point.

Like, removing the bit for a bit, that's seriously sad to say that the child murdering crooked businessman who got a get out of jail free card thanks to the sins goop retconning how culpable he is of his crimes is a more compelling character than Spider-Man.

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Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#35875: Aug 7th 2024 at 3:37:56 AM

Nice to have a week where Peter is handled by grown ups

Black Suit and Blood: "And we ride the night to the other side of dawn...never looking back" JMS, we miss you on Peter and MJ man.

Venom War: Peter finally giving the Uncle Ben memorial speech to his old Symbiote

Looks like some of the stories in 'Black Suit and Blood' may be outside of continuity too.

JMD's story is for certain a prequel to Kraven's Last Hunt, and JMS' story can either take place during Nick Spencer's run or at an unspecified point post-Wells, but the MJ centred story is at odds with her status quo during the original Secret Wars. This story is clearly meant to take place shortly after Peter took the costume back with him from Battleworld and MJ detects it's presence in the house...she never meets it face to face, which doesn't contradict her first encounter with Venom...but the kicker is she wasn't living with Peter when he brought the costume back, she had only recently returned to New York and was rebuilding her friendship with Peter, who was dating Felicia at the time. The story should have been about Felicia hanging out at the house and sensing the symbiote

Edited by Zarius on Aug 7th 2024 at 5:04:16 AM


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