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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

  • Apart from the main Marvel Universe titles, Ultimate Spider-Man, Spider-Man "What If?" stories, crossovers, guest appearances in other books, Alternate Universe tales and things like Marvel's manga adaptations are all on-topic here.
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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#35826: Aug 2nd 2024 at 2:37:36 AM

I knew that Ends of the Earth was meant to have Black Cat in it - I have seen the page Slott talks about there - but didn't know that he'd have the same "death" for her and use that to set up her Heel–Face Turn.

Though... it doesn't make as much sense to me if he'd put Silver Sable in that role and then just resolve it later in the most anti-climactic way (25 issues into the relaunch, she reappears and is like "oh yeah i faked my death and escaped").

And yeah, much better reason for Felicia to turn evil then what we got... but was it even him that wrote her following arc, though?

She gets hit in Superior, and becomes an enemy. But she becomes Queenpin in... Silk, doesn't she? And makes up with Peter in Spencer's run?

How much did Slott actually have to do with her story after Superior?

Blueace Surrounded by weirdoes from The End Of the World Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Chocolate!
Surrounded by weirdoes
#35827: Aug 2nd 2024 at 6:49:39 AM

Cindy gets a lot of subtext with her villainesses, doesn't she?

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Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#35828: Aug 2nd 2024 at 6:50:18 AM

Not always subtext. Pretty sure one of them was pretty blatant about it.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#35829: Aug 2nd 2024 at 6:59:17 AM

Saya, I think

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Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#35830: Aug 2nd 2024 at 7:10:38 AM

Thank you. Yes, that's who I was thinking of. Was a bit sad to see her transformed into a demonic ogre in the last limited series.

Limits the flirting a bit.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#35831: Aug 2nd 2024 at 7:22:34 AM

Depends on whether or not Silk is a monsterfucker

Some people are into it. Just look at how many people want to bone the Hulk

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#35832: Aug 2nd 2024 at 7:44:32 AM

Has Silk ever fought a Goblin yet?

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#35833: Aug 2nd 2024 at 8:55:04 AM

Slott did some things with Felicia as Queenpin, he set up the whole heel turn and had her almost kill Aunt May and her then-husband. Then once Silk broke off with Peter, she and Felicia bonded a bit in Silk's series, until Felicia sussed out Cindy was going to eventually stop her. I don't think they've interacted since.

Slott also tried to be the one to 'end' Felicia's queenpin career during Venom Inc, but Bendis came up with a better ending for it in Defenders before he left Marvel.

Sircray Since: Apr, 2018
#35834: Aug 2nd 2024 at 12:15:10 PM

[up][up] Her brother was apart of Phil Urich's Goblin Gang, and she helped out in the fight with Red Goblin.

[up] They had that karaoke story where they fought Mysterio.

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#35835: Aug 3rd 2024 at 5:38:19 PM

So Cable thinks Spiderman will be remembered as the greatest hero of all time.

Others are there as well. Thor has always been fond of Spidey from what I can see.

Ultimate Cap doesn't count, as he didn't seem to like Peter at first, or at least didn't like a kid getting involved in such things. Which probably didn't help the guilt he had over Peter's death.

Now if only Marvel would let him beat up Mephisto and get his marriage back.

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#35836: Aug 3rd 2024 at 5:43:54 PM

Cable clearly saw that one war of the worlds future where spider-man is remembered as earth’s greatest hero

Is he, outside of out of universe popularity? Well, how are we judging who the greatest hero is? By what standards?

But no, he probably isn’t. Because he’s self-admittedly more interested in being a street level hero and doesn’t like the higher concept nonsense.

This, like claiming Beak will be The Greatest X-Man in the future, is a lot of undeserved hype.

But unlike Beak, I can believe Spider-Man being remembered as New York’s greatest hero.

If I had to speculate on who would go down as Earth’s greatest hero, I’d say Captain America.

Edited by Bocaj on Aug 3rd 2024 at 5:44:17 AM

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Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#35837: Aug 3rd 2024 at 6:31:12 PM

Spider-man in the future being the greatest hero actually refers to Miles, after he unlocks Super Spider-Saiyan Eleventy Billion with his venom powers

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#35838: Aug 3rd 2024 at 6:36:12 PM

Pfft

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chino514 (Apprentice)
#35839: Aug 3rd 2024 at 6:39:07 PM

now I wonder how long until they give him the hair?

HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#35840: Aug 3rd 2024 at 6:40:32 PM

....Eh. I like Miles enough to be ok with that.

Alternatively, all Spider-People are considered New York's greatest Heroes, while all Captain Americas (and John Walker) are consider the world's greatest heroes.

The X-Men are considered the greatest Superhero team by Mutants. Anyone who disagrees is a mutant hater.

Naturally, everyone disagrees, because Marvel Civilians still suck.

Edited by HandsomeRob on Aug 3rd 2024 at 6:45:52 AM

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Deadpoolrocks Since: Sep, 2010
#35841: Aug 3rd 2024 at 6:42:32 PM

No the greatest hero is actually ben, but cable calls him spider-man because he refuses to call him chasm

RavenWilder Since: Apr, 2009
#35842: Aug 3rd 2024 at 7:20:28 PM

Theory: Spider-Man being Earth's greatest hero is a moniker they only get after retiring and/or dying, thanks to the latest generation of the Jameson clan building a whole media empire based on lionizing Spider-Man (maybe even printing a "Spider-Man's Pal, J. Jonah Jameson" comic book).

Edited by RavenWilder on Aug 3rd 2024 at 7:20:59 AM

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#35843: Aug 3rd 2024 at 7:36:56 PM

I kinda like that answer

Greatest hero Spider-Man, as decided by an aggressive public relations campaign

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IndirectActiveTransport plays capoeira from Chicago (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Every rose has its thorn
plays capoeira
#35844: Aug 3rd 2024 at 8:07:38 PM

Much as I hate what he has become from a narrative perspective, seeing things in the context of the stories, in the world that the characters live in, one has to look beyond the events of planet Earth and consider (sigh)Adam Warlock. Hopefully that Magus stuff bumps him down a bit, but you'd still have to consider Silver Surfer and Mar-Vell.

How about characters who deserve it but would probably be less recognized than Spider-Man? Blue Marvel came up with a way to not only stop Galactus from eating planets but make him start kind of making up for damage he caused. Most of Earth is still probably upset with him for that time he broke the moon for punching Sentry into it, even though we, reading the comic book, were like "hell yeah, shame it didn't kill him". Meanwhile most of the aliens probably don't even know who Blue Marvel is and just assume Galactus just finally got around to that promise of giving back he kept making to ease his conscious. Or since we're talking all time there was that time Blue Marvel beat the crap out of that evil(er) Hyperion who had been absorbing all of his alternate time lime counterparts. People are just going to attribute that to the Exiles, not know Blue Marvel did anything because he's not a regular member, and downplay it because Exiles are unwashed mutants. Doctor Strange is another who should but deliberately tries to hide his activities from the world. As a result most people think Strange is that devil worshiper who destroyed Hulk's planet with a rocket.

It's going to be Ben Grim the Thing for Earth and much of space for how he heroically stood up to Galactus and Champion. It's going to be Silver Surfer for most of space, if it isn't Mar-Vell. It's going to be Thor, MAYBE Venus, Mercury or Bast among the gods. Among time travelers and alternate universe what not probably X-Man or Blink, unless you hate mutants, then Man-Thing will be the greatest hero. Spider-Man is just real world popularity shilling. In the story itself Spider-Man is seen as creepy and annoying.

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#35845: Aug 3rd 2024 at 10:54:13 PM

I love the idea of Jameson in his dying days managing to turn things around for Spider-Man publicity wise.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#35846: Aug 3rd 2024 at 11:08:06 PM

That's kind of how Spider-Man: Reign was. Except Jameson refuses to die

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#35847: Aug 3rd 2024 at 11:21:59 PM

Based.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#35848: Aug 4th 2024 at 5:26:55 AM

He's in his dying days he's just staying there

windleopard from Nigeria Since: Nov, 2014 Relationship Status: Non-Canon
#35849: Aug 5th 2024 at 2:11:27 AM

I'll say this about Slott's plans for Felicia: her turning on Peter because of something he actually did is a much better idea than what we got.

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#35850: Aug 5th 2024 at 9:09:40 AM

It also fits the themes of responsibility and all that shit.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"

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