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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#35701: Jul 27th 2024 at 2:11:17 AM

This could also solve the Chthon is attached to Wanda's soul that Doom wanted Wanda to avoid. He wanted her to destroy him but she instead absorbed him.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#35702: Jul 27th 2024 at 2:12:02 AM

Wait, when did that happen? Sounds awesome.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#35703: Jul 27th 2024 at 2:19:55 AM

The Darkhold event

He also got a new look

https://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/images_77_8.jpeg

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#35704: Jul 27th 2024 at 3:31:35 AM

Uhhhhhh who is that?

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#35705: Jul 27th 2024 at 4:18:50 AM

Chthon. Man has uh an inconsistent look lol.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#35706: Jul 27th 2024 at 4:52:26 AM

Now I'm picturing a version of this where Wayep is one of the gods Doom sends Peter to fight. Spider-Man goes off to face him, leaving Doom talking to Paul. And then returns to find Doom standing next to a scorched spot and a faint wisp of smoke.

Doom: He was complicit in genocide, an entire Earth died due to his gullible mistakes. The man was a fool and his mere presence was a risk to this world. Let no-one doubt that Doom, unlike his predecessor, takes his responsibilities as Sorcerer Supreme seriously. Also, he annoyed me. Immensely. Surely even you must have found him insufferable, Spider-Man?

Spider-Man: Er, but...

Doom: As I thought. But Doom is gracious. On this occasion, you are not in my debt. And this trivial matter must not distract us when we have three more malevolent deities to defeat. Onward, that Doom may lead you to victory!

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 27th 2024 at 12:57:38 PM

miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#35707: Jul 27th 2024 at 4:56:49 AM

They could also Shatra since she's a spiderman foe. Though I kinda expect they'll be dr strange foes.

Anyway the current garbage run ending means I'll take anything as a palette cleanser.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#35708: Jul 27th 2024 at 5:34:46 AM

[up][up] Don’t do this to me man, don’t give me hope.[lol]

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
TargetmasterJoe from Velocitron Since: May, 2013 Relationship Status: I like big bots and I can not lie
#35709: Jul 27th 2024 at 7:28:13 AM

[up][up][up] If this was a just world, Doom would be able to do a magical version of Rick Sanchez's mind-scanning and find out that, big surprise, Paul has been a liar the entire time. Not only was he consciously in on the genocide, but he knew the kids were fake from the word go, but never bothered to tell MJ.

Yeah, call me a blasphemer, but suddenly The 8 Deaths of Spider-Man has my attention a lot more than the Wells run ever did.

And on a morbid note, this might be Spider-Editor Nick Lowe's last rodeo. People attending the panel have noted that Tom Brevoort joked(?) that the event would be more appealing if it was called "The 8 Deaths of Nick Lowe".

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#35710: Jul 27th 2024 at 7:42:04 AM

I just want a good Spider-Man run again.

Plus the Doom Spider-Man outfit is sick.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#35711: Jul 27th 2024 at 8:18:05 AM

Doom blew up a universe in a petty rage fit against a version of him liking RICHARDSSSSS

I don’t think he has ground to stand on re: genocide

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RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#35712: Jul 27th 2024 at 8:20:19 AM

Yes, but unlike Paul, Doom is a well written character.

You might not like Doom, but you certainly like him a lot more than Paul.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#35713: Jul 27th 2024 at 8:22:40 AM

Yes but if he starts taking a hard line that genocide is simply unforgivable then he is either becoming a badly written character or the hypocrisy is the point

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TomWithoutJerry Tyranny Bad, Democracy Good. from Where Might Makes Right and I have no Might. Since: Dec, 2023
Tyranny Bad, Democracy Good.
#35714: Jul 27th 2024 at 8:23:40 AM

Didn't Doom also want to blow up another universe because he was a baboon there?

Please remember that, ultimately, fictional works of entertainment are just that.
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#35715: Jul 27th 2024 at 8:23:47 AM

Well in all fairness, Mrph's post was a jab at Paul and I think we all agree Doom is a bad guy and hypocrite.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#35716: Jul 27th 2024 at 8:25:30 AM

Does Doom have the moral high ground on genocide? Absolutely not.

Will that stop Doom using it as an excuse to annihilate someone who annoys him? Absolutely not.

His Noble Demon tendencies are thoroughly undermined by his hypocrisy and his jealousy of Richards. That's why he's Doom.

Which is one of the reasons I'm looking forward to his reign as Sorcerer Supreme and interactions with Peter.

Edited by Mrph1 on Jul 27th 2024 at 4:26:09 PM

RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#35717: Jul 27th 2024 at 8:27:20 AM

Yeah in some cases, his nobility actually makes him worse. Like yeah we see him save Latveria from an oppressive occupation, but he blows up an entire universe to spite his alternate self for being a smug asshole which is hilarious coming from Doom.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Saiga Since: Feb, 2011 Relationship Status: Getting away with murder
#35718: Jul 27th 2024 at 3:53:57 PM

Yes, but unlike Paul, Doom is a well written character.

I'll absolutely disagree with that.

Doom may be beloved but that's not the same as being a well written character. And with having so many different interpretations over the decades of his existence huge inconsistencies with how he's portrayed I can't really see him labelling him a well written character overall.

Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#35719: Jul 27th 2024 at 4:01:41 PM

Doom's always well written.

Because if he isn't, clearly it was just a doombot.

There aren't many other Marvel characters with that sort ot get-out clause.

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#35720: Jul 27th 2024 at 4:06:43 PM

Starlin stole it for Thanos

Actually it’s fairly common in general. Doom is mostly own for it because the extent of writers contradicting other writers with the excuse is pretty notable

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lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#35721: Jul 27th 2024 at 4:11:18 PM

Interesting potential Spider-Man leak from CBR. It says Peter might be dead for a while and Miles will be sidelined due to vampirism to set up a 'Doom Conquers the World' event since, like in What If? (Marvel Comics), Spider-Man disappearing sets stuff in motion. Kaine may take over in the interim.

Edited by lalalei2001 on Jul 27th 2024 at 7:12:54 AM

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slimcoder The Head of the Hydra Since: May, 2013
The Head of the Hydra
#35722: Jul 27th 2024 at 4:21:21 PM

Oh god please leave Kaine out of this.

"I am Alpharius. This is a lie."
chino514 (Apprentice)
#35723: Jul 27th 2024 at 4:21:42 PM

Wonder if the whole "Doom conquers the world" event is to celebrate 10 years since the 2015 Secret Wars or just a complete coincidence.

Edited by chino514 on Jul 27th 2024 at 4:22:36 AM

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#35724: Jul 27th 2024 at 4:22:48 PM

Emperor Doom was in 1987, which is pretty close to 40 years.

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Spirit Pretty flower from America Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
Pretty flower
#35725: Jul 27th 2024 at 6:34:33 PM

Doom's always well written.

Because if he isn't, clearly it was just a doombot.

There aren't many other Marvel characters with that sort ot get-out clause.

I'm not sure if it's a good or bad thing that this is in fact both the in and out of universe excuse.

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