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This thread's for the Spider-Man comics and spin-offs, whether they're decades old or brand new.

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Since everyone likes talking about him. I know little about him(Ironically,I got nearly all I know about him from a Batman thread),but he's apparently important so I made this thread. Enjoy.

Edited by MacronNotes on Jul 10th 2023 at 10:58:13 AM

chino514 (Apprentice)
#35676: Jul 25th 2024 at 4:27:11 PM

I wonder how many war crimes Paul has committed.

Edited by chino514 on Jul 25th 2024 at 4:27:26 AM

Tiamatty X-Men X-Pert from Now on Twitter Since: Jan, 2010 Relationship Status: Brony
#35677: Jul 25th 2024 at 5:02:24 PM

Isn't Paul's whole thing that he was tricked by his father, and had genuinely no idea what his dad's plan was? I did see a screenshot of that moment from the MJ and Black Cat mini that people compared to the Nuremberg defence, and from what I can recall, the comparison is so ridiculously overblown as to be a deliberately bad-faith reading.

I do get the impression that there was actual potential for Paul to be an interesting and compelling character. Lean into his overwhelming sense of guilt at the role he played in the destruction of his world, and the conflict between his desire to help people and do better, and his fear that trying to help will lead to him making more mistakes that make things worse.

This would mean giving him some actual focus as a character, not just as MJ's boyfriend but as his own person. It would've meant major changes to how the entire run was handled. I think the best approach would've been to not drag out the whole mystery for so long, to have given him and MJ more scenes together early on that demonstrated a close, affectionate, and supportive relationship, and to have given him some scenes with Peter, with initial tension that eases over time.

A story where Paul helps Peter out with some sort of emergency - maybe Paul has to disable some sort of device while Peter keeps a villain busy - also would've been needed. Paul isn't sure he can disable the thing and worries about making it worse, and Peter assures him he's got it, and then with the threat dealt with they have a talk about Paul's feelings of guilt.

He's not an inherently bad character, and there were ways of writing him well, that would make readers sympathize with him, and even like him. Wells just didn't make the room to do that, because he had other stories he wanted to focus on more.

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HandsomeRob Leader of the Holey Brotherhood from The land of broken records Since: Jan, 2015
Leader of the Holey Brotherhood
#35678: Jul 25th 2024 at 6:02:46 PM

Yeah. Paul exists just to keep the two apart, and nobody was interested in actually doing anything with him.

As for his culpability in what his dad did, meh. He did help, and no-one's buying the he didn't know excuse. I ain't gonna defend him on that.

He is what his is, it's too late to change or fix that, no one would care if they tried and would probably just continue to demand he dies painfully, so at this point we can only wait for that to happen.

But a character should always be made for a purpose beyond roadblock to characters we like more.

One Strip! One Strip!
Spirit Pretty flower from America Since: Dec, 2010 Relationship Status: Hooked on a feeling
Pretty flower
#35679: Jul 25th 2024 at 7:29:23 PM

I've seen Paul compared to Ugly Bastard from NTR Hentai.

The worst part is, yeah. It's obviously not a 1:1, but he does fulfill basically the same role without the porn.

That's how poorly received he is.

#IceBearForPresident
GamerSlyRatchet Since: Jan, 2011 Relationship Status: I won't say I'm in love
#35680: Jul 25th 2024 at 10:16:18 PM

Voiced panels from The Spectacular Spider-Men #5, with Josh Keaton as Peter, Hammerhead, and Mentallo, Zeno Robinson as Miles, and Andrew Kishino as Arcade.

Latest blog update (November 5th, 2022).
Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#35681: Jul 26th 2024 at 1:39:30 AM

I'm taking a look at the October solicits

They are being super vague with Wells' last edition of ASM, not revealing plot details other than it being a double-sized issue and promising a tease for Joe Kelly's new arc "Eight Deaths of Spider-Man"

Spectacular Spider-Men is also vauge, hinting an old evil is rising and a new arc will begin from it.

Spider-Boy doesn't even have a cover or a plot-detailed solicit.

And Strazynski gets to play with Cap, Spidey and Thor all in one issue!

Edited by Zarius on Jul 26th 2024 at 1:41:17 AM

jormis29 Since: Mar, 2012
#35682: Jul 26th 2024 at 2:13:52 PM

Apparently holding back October's Spider-Boy for a reveal of a new Spider Girl unrelated to Spider-Girl

chino514 (Apprentice)
#35683: Jul 26th 2024 at 2:15:57 PM

At this point, how wrong is it to say "We need another Inheritor"?

Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#35684: Jul 26th 2024 at 2:19:43 PM

I’ve been thinking that reading the latest edge or end or whatever spider-verse book

I’m cool with Bailey though. He seems alright

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miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#35685: Jul 26th 2024 at 2:26:03 PM

[up][up]at this point. Why do we need hundreds of spider characters.

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
jormis29 Since: Mar, 2012
#35686: Jul 26th 2024 at 2:26:05 PM

Viz announced Ultraman: Along Came a Spider-Man crossover to start on the same day as Ultraman X Avengers

Edited by jormis29 on Jul 26th 2024 at 2:26:16 AM

IndirectActiveTransport plays capoeira from Chicago (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Every rose has its thorn
plays capoeira
#35687: Jul 26th 2024 at 2:43:35 PM

Marvel really can't stop beating that horse! Spider-Family in general and Spider-Girls in particular. My knee jerk reaction is negative, in part because X-Men already have a Spider-Girl, who is clearly the best one. The rationalist in me says "wait and see". No, the rationalist is thinking of the many ways Marvel's going to botch it. My sense of fair play is whispering "wait and see".

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Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#35688: Jul 26th 2024 at 2:44:29 PM

X Men has a spider girl?

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IndirectActiveTransport plays capoeira from Chicago (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Every rose has its thorn
plays capoeira
#35689: Jul 26th 2024 at 2:50:10 PM

Yes, the best Spider-Girl. A giant red eyed spider with the face of Gwen Stacy on one of her mandibles. She initially had trouble making friends at school. At first.

Buldogue's lawyer
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#35690: Jul 26th 2024 at 3:08:10 PM

Yeah that clone that Superior Spider-Man subdued with the help of the X-Men in Avenging Spider-Man.

Otto also had a completely relatable reaction to all the crazy lore the X-Men have.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
Mrph1 he/him from Mercia (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: This is not my beautiful wife!
he/him
#35691: Jul 26th 2024 at 4:05:30 PM

She turned up again in X-Men Unlimited and was remarkably sensible. I hope she's now living her best life on Krakoa.

At least partly because she'd now be 15 years older due to the timey-wimey situation at the end of the Fall of the House of X arc, and I like the idea of a Gwen clone who's significantly older than Peter.

GateStarX The Formatter from The Great White North Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
The Formatter
#35692: Jul 26th 2024 at 4:21:00 PM

Is it weird to say I really don’t like the baggy clothes and street wear style costumes on spider-people? Civvie Spandex works for some characters, put to me Spider-People should always be skintight spandex onesie, regardless of race or gender.

It's gonna be fun on the bun!
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#35693: Jul 26th 2024 at 6:56:42 PM

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GateStarX The Formatter from The Great White North Since: Sep, 2012 Relationship Status: Buried in snow, waiting for spring
The Formatter
#35694: Jul 26th 2024 at 8:00:45 PM

Woah, did that come out wrong? because all I meant is You Don't Look Like You, and the baggy cloths throw off the clasic Spider-Man look, like just slapping a spider on some clothes doesn't make you a spider-person. There's a whole asthetic to it. I'm also not a fan of the armored looks all that much either.

Edited by GateStarX on Jul 26th 2024 at 8:01:32 AM

It's gonna be fun on the bun!
Bocaj Funny but not helpful from Here or thereabouts (4 Score & 7 Years Ago) Relationship Status: Pining for the fjords
Funny but not helpful
#35695: Jul 26th 2024 at 8:24:40 PM

Sorry, that was at the spider girl with gwen tusk thing. I didn't notice that the conversation had moved on.

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Zarius Since: Nov, 2012
#35696: Jul 26th 2024 at 10:26:52 PM

So here's the details on "The Eight Deaths of Spider-Man"

Doom, now Sorceror Supreme, discovers that each year Stephen would have to deal with a God and his scions and prevent from bringing about the end of the world, so Doom tasks a new champion, Spidey, to challenge these gods with the assistance of eight extra lives and a suit full of sorcery!

lalalei2001 Since: Oct, 2009
#35697: Jul 26th 2024 at 10:32:26 PM

I knew cats have nine lives, didn't know spiders did too! :P

Also my theory on the new Spider-Girl is that since Bailey's a long-lost hero, she's his long-lost sister.

The Protomen enhanced my life.
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#35698: Jul 26th 2024 at 10:32:53 PM

[up][up] Doom and Spider-Man teaming up!? Oh this is going to be FUN.

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"
miraculous Goku Black (Apprentice)
Goku Black
#35699: Jul 27th 2024 at 12:13:21 AM

Hey this sounds actually cool. So are the eight gods anyone we know? Dormammu? Shuma garath?

"That's right mortal. By channeling my divine rage into power, I have forged a new instrument in which to destroy you."
RedHunter543 Crimson Paladin Since: Jul, 2016 Relationship Status: Barbecuing
Crimson Paladin
#35700: Jul 27th 2024 at 12:17:31 AM

Please PLEASE include Mephisto.

I will unironically shill for Doom if he gives Spider Man the power to beat the shit out of Mephisto.

Edited by RedHunter543 on Jul 28th 2024 at 3:17:46 AM

"The Black Rage makes us strong, because we must resist its temptations every day of our lives or be forever damned!"

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